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[seer]

My prediction: Trump will leave office in January 2025 after completing his second term, and you will still be living in the US with citizenship intact.

Just as all the elites who swore that they would leave if Trump was elected in the first term...

[Sparko]

I have no idea what "liberals" promised in 2016. I personally don't know anyone who made that claim or commitment in 2016. I know I didn't. But 2020 is different. One election can be written off as an aberration. Two is a trend reflective of a core shift in this country.

We have already started the process of selling our home. If Trump is out, then we will begin our original retirement plan, which included travel around the world but with the U.S. as our home base. If Trump is in, we will look for another home base and renounce citizenship as soon as we can successfully gain citizenship elsewhere. The damage Trump has done while somewhat constrained by his need to get re-elected is significant enough. The damage he will do when that need no longer exists, and the long-term harm that will be done to the judiciary will not be repaired in my lifetime. I'm not a hero. I have no desire to spend the last years of my life fighting a war I cannot win in a country that has drifted that badly off course. So yes - I will move on.

That's pretty sad, letting Trump live in your head like that and determine the rest of your life.

[Mountain Man]

My prediction: Trump will be shown the door in 2021 and none of this will be necessary.

And to that end, you hope for more suffering and death, right? Hope that things get as bad as possible, and that Trump gets the blame, right?

Oh, you deny it, of course, but let's put it this way: The fortunes of the president are tied to the fortunes of the country, so when you say, "I hope things go badly for the president," what you're really saying is, "I hope things go badly for the country."

[seer]

And to that end, you hope for more suffering and death, right? Hope that things get as bad as possible, and that Trump gets the blame, right?

Oh, you deny it, of course, but let's put it this way: The fortunes of the president are tied to the fortunes of the country, so when you say, "I hope things go badly for the president," what you're really saying is, "I hope things go badly for the country."

Bill Maher: I'm "Hoping" For "A Crashing Economy" So We Can Get Rid Of Trump, "Bring On The Recession"

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...recession.html

[Mountain Man]

That's pretty sad, letting Trump live in your head like that and determine the rest of your life.

I suspect if carpe does follow through and move to another country, he will soon discover that it has its own problems and political machinations, and he will become just as bitter and disillusioned as he is now. As the saying goes, you can't run away from your problems, because you always bring yourself with you.

[Cow Poke]

I suspect if he does follow through and move to another country, he will soon discover that it has its own problems and disagreeable political machinations, and he will become just as bitter and disillusioned as he is now. As the saying goes, you can't run away from your problems, because you always bring yourself with you.

It's kinda like when somebody comes to join our Church, and they talk about how bad their previous Church was. I've been known to recommend another Church "down the street".

[Mountain Man]

It's kinda like when somebody comes to join our Church, and they talk about how bad their previous Church was. I've been known to recommend another Church "down the street".

Another good saying, "If you ever find the perfect church, don't join it, because you'll just ruin it."

[Cow Poke]

Another good saying, "If you ever find the perfect church, don't join it, because you'll just ruin it."

Have said that many a time!

[carpedm9587]

That's pretty sad, letting Trump live in your head like that and determine the rest of your life.

Actually - it's not about Trump - at least not directly. It's about what the re-election of Trump says about our country as a whole. Mr. Trump is the most corrupt/immoral politician I have seen in my lifetime and is certainly at or near the top of the list for the history of this republic. If he is re-elected, it is what that fact says about my fellow citizens that is what will cause me to relocate and seek alternate citizenship. I can understand a society electing such a man as an aberration and reflexive reaction to any number of issues. After seeing what kind of man he is up-close and personal for four years, if the majority of this country sees fit to return him to that office - then this is not the country I grew up in and loved. It has fundamentally changed in ways I find morally and personally repugnant. That is not the kind of people among whom I want to make my home.

[carpedm9587]

And to that end, you hope for more suffering and death, right? Hope that things get as bad as possible, and that Trump gets the blame, right?

Oh, you deny it, of course, but let's put it this way: The fortunes of the president are tied to the fortunes of the country, so when you say, "I hope things go badly for the president," what you're really saying is, "I hope things go badly for the country."

No matter how often you pound that drum and repeat that lie, MM, it won't make it true.

[Sparko]

Actually - it's not about Trump - at least not directly. It's about what the re-election of Trump says about our country as a whole. Mr. Trump is the most corrupt/immoral politician I have seen in my lifetime and is certainly at or near the top of the list for the history of this republic. If he is re-elected, it is what that fact says about my fellow citizens that is what will cause me to relocate and seek alternate citizenship. I can understand a society electing such a man as an aberration and reflexive reaction to any number of issues. After seeing what kind of man he is up-close and personal for four years, if the majority of this country sees fit to return him to that office - then this is not the country I grew up in and loved. It has fundamentally changed in ways I find morally and personally repugnant. That is not the kind of people among whom I want to make my home.

so it is about Trump.

[carpedm9587]

so it is about Trump.

It's about the people who elect Trump.

[Mountain Man]

No matter how often you pound that drum and repeat that lie, MM, it won't make it true.

Even you don't believe it's a lie. You've said it yourself often enough: you hope people suffer and turn on the President.

[seanD]

Actually - it's not about Trump - at least not directly. It's about what the re-election of Trump says about our country as a whole. Mr. Trump is the most corrupt/immoral politician I have seen in my lifetime and is certainly at or near the top of the list for the history of this republic. If he is re-elected, it is what that fact says about my fellow citizens that is what will cause me to relocate and seek alternate citizenship. I can understand a society electing such a man as an aberration and reflexive reaction to any number of issues. After seeing what kind of man he is up-close and personal for four years, if the majority of this country sees fit to return him to that office - then this is not the country I grew up in and loved. It has fundamentally changed in ways I find morally and personally repugnant. That is not the kind of people among whom I want to make my home.

I think you're confusing shrewdness with corruption. Trump, being the bombastic blowhard he is, doesn't cover up his dirt like his predecessors did. No potus has not been corrupt because they're in a corrupt system and that system forces their hand. I can't remember a president who came after whistleblowers like Obama did, the "transparency" president, but it's not talked about much because he was covert about it (not the least of which he also had the MSM on his side to cover his deeds). If you don't like America, you could always go live with your authoritarian atheist buddies in china. I'm sure you'll have a human rights blast.

[carpedm9587]

I think you're confusing shrewdness with corruption. Trump, being the bombastic blowhard he is, doesn't cover up his dirt like his predecessors did. No potus has not been corrupt because they're in a corrupt system and that system forces their hand. I can't remember a president who came after whistleblowers like Obama did, the "transparency" president, but it's not talked about much because he was covert about it (not the least of which he also had the MSM on his side to cover his deeds). If you don't like America, you could always go live with your authoritarian atheist buddies in china. I'm sure you'll have a human rights blast.

Obama definitely did some things I was not happy with. Trump takes that to extremes no one should accept. And doing something publicly does not make it any more or less wrong.

I actually don't know anyone in China, and it would not top my list of places to live. The countries at the top of that list right now include New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and the Netherlands. I have friends/family in three of them (Aus. Can., and Net.).