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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat would be false. I support Trump neither completely nor without reservation, and I certainly do not "unswervingly support Trump in the bad things".
Then you can continue to hold on to the fiction that you do not support Trump in bad things. I leave out "unswervingly" because it's pretty absolute and usually absolutes are untrue.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by EvoUK View PostI thought he meant condemned something he has done as president, not in his personal life.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWould it be okay if I say that I condemn the things Trump has done in his personal life, but I support the things he has done as president? Is it all or nothing as far as you're concerned, or are we allowed to have a nuanced opinion? I wonder if you agree with every personal decision your employer has ever made, and if you take it upon yourself to condemn him in front of your fellow employees...
When Trump tweets - you can dismiss it as "personal life" but legally it is a presidential communication. He has even fired people and given the military orders by way of that avenue, and the courts ordered him to stop blocking people because it constituted an illegal denial of access.
When Trump pays off a stripper to keep the story from coming to light during a campaign, it can be dismissed as "personal" but it is actually about how something personal could impact his election chances.
But there is nothing personal about the steady stream of lies he puts forward as "truth" from the bully pulpit (in all its forms). And there is nothing personal about labeling every political opponent with a childish moniker. And there is nothing personal about publicly encouraging a supporter to do violence and offering to pay his legal bills. And there is nothing personal about putting in place a policy of separating families. And there is nothing personal about publicly and privately asking foreign countries to involve themselves in our elections.
You endorse/support things in Trump that I cannot imagine for one second you endorsing or supporting in Obama or Clinton or Pelosi or Schumer or Schiff. Indeed, you have decried all of them at one time or another for one or more things you consider to be of one or more of these veins.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThere is an element of truth to that. What you generally do is explain the bad things away as if they were not bad, or excuse the behavior. You deny lies are actually lies, bullying becomes "defending himself," name calling becomes "just speaking his mind" and "refreshing honesty."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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When Trump does finally go, I'm actually not looking forward to the global sigh of relief afterwards. It's what put Obama on his pedestal initially- because thank goodness The Shrub had gone- and I can see it putting the next Democrat politician in a similar position, and far too early for it to be warranted.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUnfortunately, when you are president, the clean line between those things gets pretty muddy.
When Trump tweets - you can dismiss it as "personal life" but legally it is a presidential communication. He has even fired people and given the military orders by way of that avenue, and the courts ordered him to stop blocking people because it constituted an illegal denial of access.
When Trump pays off a stripper to keep the story from coming to light during a campaign, it can be dismissed as "personal" but it is actually about how something personal could impact his election chances.
But there is nothing personal about the steady stream of lies he puts forward as "truth" from the bully pulpit (in all its forms). And there is nothing personal about labeling every political opponent with a childish moniker. And there is nothing personal about publicly encouraging a supporter to do violence and offering to pay his legal bills. And there is nothing personal about putting in place a policy of separating families. And there is nothing personal about publicly and privately asking foreign countries to involve themselves in our elections.
You endorse/support things in Trump that I cannot imagine for one second you endorsing or supporting in Obama or Clinton or Pelosi or Schumer or Schiff. Indeed, you have decried all of them at one time or another for one or more things you consider to be of one or more of these veins.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMore Gish Gallop. I'm detecting a pattern.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by EvoUK View PostWhen Trump does finally go, I'm actually not looking forward to the global sigh of relief afterwards. It's what put Obama on his pedestal initially- because thank goodness The Shrub had gone- and I can see it putting the next Democrat politician in a similar position, and far too early for it to be warranted.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by EvoUK View PostWhen Trump does finally go, I'm actually not looking forward to the global sigh of relief afterwards. It's what put Obama on his pedestal initially- because thank goodness The Shrub had gone- and I can see it putting the next Democrat politician in a similar position, and far too early for it to be warranted.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYeah... so am I. When you can't answer it - you just label it "Gish Gallop" and handwave as you truck on by...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDo you seriously expect me to waste my time addressing every one of your "many specious arguments, half-truths, and misrepresentations"? Please, I'm not as dumb as I look.
Seriously, MM - I posted some outrageous thing Trump had done a couple of weeks ago and your response was "well done." I can't find the post now, but I do recall being floored that anyone would commend such an action.
But then again, you are somewhat renown for taking the most negative aspects of the ministry of Jesus of Nazareth and using ti to justify some pretty ugly behavior on your own part, soThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo hypocrisy was pointed out, Pix, so I have no clue what this refers to.Congratulations on yet another (failed) attempt to read my mind......and predict the future. How you think ANY of this passes for rational argument is beyond me.
This is proceeding down the usual useless path, so Ill leave the last word to you unless you ask a rational question I have not already responded to."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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