Bitter Nancy...

[Cow Poke]

The racist in you is showing again.

https://educationvotes.nea.org/2019/...ation-funding/

So, you recently decried the poor state of public education in America (and I agreed) and, what --- you think that that "more money" is the solution? Kinda like the war on drugs?

It's the liberals like you who have been in charge of the American education system for the past 50 years, and they have run that ship aground. It's time to invest elsewhere - reward the schools that are actually teaching students.

[lilpixieofterror]

She was ripping up a tissue of falsehoods. She was ripping up extremely partisan ballyhoo like awarding Rush Limbaugh the Medal of Freedom Award at the SOTU address. I don't wish cancer on anyone, but he has been an extremely partisan, divisive figure, and far worse, for nearly thirty years. It would have been like Obama awarding the Medal to Michael Moore during the SOTU address. Conservatives' heads would have exploded!

Obama awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to many liberal icons. How much uproar was there when Obama awarded Oprah? Ellen?

[Cow Poke]

Obama awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to many liberal icons. How much uproar was there when Obama awarded Oprah? Ellen?

Heck, he got the Nobel Peace Prize..... for WHAT?

[lilpixieofterror]

Heck, he got the Nobel Peace Prize..... for WHAT?

[Cow Poke]

Two words: Hypo Crazy.



(well, run them together and sound it out.... um.... )

[lilpixieofterror]

The racist in you is showing again.



So, you recently decried the poor state of public education in America (and I agreed) and, what --- you think that that "more money" is the solution? Kinda like the war on drugs?

It's the liberals like you who have been in charge of the American education system for the past 50 years, and they have run that ship aground. It's time to invest elsewhere - reward the schools that are actually teaching students.

[Cow Poke]

If a government car manufacturer turned out cars that failed at the rate that the public education failed students, people would be screaming "shut it down" or "hire new management" or SOMETHING.

But the liberals and their UNIONS run our public schools -- very badly, as Tassy points out -- and their solution is "MO MONEY!!!"

[lilpixieofterror]

If a government car manufacturer turned out cars that failed at the rate that the public education failed students, people would be screaming "shut it down" or "hire new management" or SOMETHING.

But the liberals and their UNIONS run our public schools -- very badly, as Tassy points out -- and their solution is "MO MONEY!!!"

Well money from the government goes to the teachers unions, which goes to the DNC, which helps democrats get elected, which say we need more education money once elected...

[Cow Poke]

Well money from the government goes to the teachers unions, which goes to the DNC, which helps democrats get elected, which say we need more education money once elected...

And, all the while, the Democrats were whining "but the CHILLEN!!!!" (Haven't heard them use that line much lately)

They managed to sucker Texas into voting for a state lottery because the money would go to education, but that was a lie. Lottery is doing GREAT and public education is still begging for money.

[JimL]

More money is just the solution that republicans don't like because money is what they worship most. Republicans love socialism, so long as its socialism for the wealthy. Huge tax cuts for the wealthy, huge subsidies for the corporations, you never hear them complaining about that, but only if the government monies go to those who need it do they complain.

[Cow Poke]

More money is just the solution that republicans don't like because money is what they worship most.

That's insane, unfounded, and typical loony left gibberish.

Republicans love socialism, so long as its socialism for the wealthy. Huge tax cuts for the wealthy, huge subsidies for the corporations, you never hear them complaining about that, but only if the government monies go to those who need it do they complain.

Back to the topic at hand --- public education is not going to get better just by throwing more money at it.

[lilpixieofterror]

More money is just the solution that republicans don't like because money is what they worship most. Republicans love socialism, so long as its socialism for the wealthy. Huge tax cuts for the wealthy, huge subsidies for the corporations, you never hear them complaining about that, but only if the government monies go to those who need it do they complain.

Feel better, after that little rant?

[lilpixieofterror]

That's insane, unfounded, and typical loony left gibberish.



Back to the topic at hand --- public education is not going to get better just by throwing more money at it.

Meanwhile, in the real world, our investments and pay has grown! Apparently, it works well for the middle class too.

[Cow Poke]

Meanwhile, in the real world, our investments and pay has grown! Apparently, it works well for the middle class too.

You got it all wrong, Pix --- it was Obama --- he's still running the economy and gets all the credit.

[rogue06]

That's insane, unfounded, and typical loony left gibberish.



Back to the topic at hand --- public education is not going to get better just by throwing more money at it.

Which was something I pointed out.

Exactly. The left wants to pretend that their willingness to shovel money at education willy-nilly without any thought of accountability as evidence of their support of kids and families while those mean ol' conservatives want everyone to just go away and die. But this seems more motivated by funneling money to teacher's unions who then contribute huge amounts back into Democrat coffers^[1] than anything else. Am I being too cynical? Then explain if educating children was the goal why do liberals tend to fight tooth and nail against any ideas to improve education that doesn't include massive transfers of money such as charter schools and school choice^[2]?

And if liberal policies are the best way to improve education then why are they in complete control of the worst school districts and systems in spite of massive outlays of money?

I cannot help thinking about how when, back in the mid-80s a federal judge ordered that billions of dollars be spent upgrading Kansas City's schools. The educrats were giddy with delight. They set about adding enormous gyms to the schools, built an Olympic swimming pool, TV studios, a planetarium, a zoo, and even a wildlife sanctuary. After burning through $2 Billion it was discovered that what they did not get was a single new textbook to replace the worn-out sadly out-dated ones they had. And IIRC not a single new teacher was hired although a lot more administrators were^[3]The top five "states"^[4] when it comes to total Elementary/Secondary Public School spending/student were from the top down New York, Alaska, Washington D.C., Connecticut and New Jersey but in 2017 they respectively placed 40th, 31st, 51st, 44th and 38th in SAT rankings. Yet the state with lowest total Elementary/Secondary Public School spending/student, Utah,which spent about a third or less for each student as those at the top was 10th in SAT scores. The one with the fifth lowest expenditure, Mississippi, ranked 9th.

Overall, the trend for SAT scores reveals that most of the high spending states are doing bad in that measure whereas most of the lower spending states have higher scores. So if throwing money at the problem is the solution then why did many of the states with the lowest per student expenditures do better than many of those with the highest per student expenditures?

This sorta blows a hole in the notion that spending more money means better results, doesn't it.

Interestingly, in 2000 the state with the highest average SAT score was North Dakota, which ranked 41st in per student spending but has since began spending a lot more moving up to 15th in that category and yet has also dropped to 6th for SAT scores.

Further (the last time I checked), Americans spend more on schooling than the vast majority of countries that outscore us on the international tests.










1. For instance, according to Open Secrets, the American Federation of Teachers donated $7,919,897 to politicians and political groups with $7,888,355 going to Democrats and liberals (99.9%) and $6500 to Republicans and conservatives

2. A perfect example of this is what happened at Mollie E. Ray Elementary in Orlando, Florida as the 2002-2003 school year began. The school had received an "F" rating for the past two years (1 of only 10 schools to "earn" such a distinction), as judged annually by the state of Florida so the victims of such failed schools are allowed to apply for vouchers to help them escape. So how did the school react? Vowing to fix the problem? To work on improving education?

Nah.

To start, students were met by teachers wearing T-shirts proclaiming "F = Fantastic." Getting an "F" grade was now considered a positive thing. The union educrats chose to brainwash young minds with Orwellian double-speak into thinking that flunking is actually a good thing. Then school officials attacked the scores of parents, who did choose to opt out, for "abandoning" their schools in a time of need. Excuse me. Apparently some parents had the temerity to want the best for their children rather than sacrifice them on the altar of public "edjumakatun" and were savaged for it. Still it would have been interesting come Report Card time when the little darlings still stuck in that unrepentantly failed school explained this "F = Fantastic" concept to their parents. Trouble is, too many might fallen for it.

3. When I started High School it was so overcrowded not only were there nearly a dozen trailers setting in the parking lot being used as classrooms but we had to go in shifts with juniors and seniors going in the morning and freshmen and sophomores in the afternoon. Yet we only had 4 principals. Now after expanding the building and several new schools being built, resulting in a smaller school population, there are somewhere between 10 and 15 principals.

4. this includes Washington D.C. which is not a state.