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Originally posted by JimL View PostSoleimani was an official, probably the second in power of a soveriegn state, and assassinating him was an act of war and a risk by Trump of taking us into war. Had the Iranians assassinated General Petraes or General Mattis during the war in Iraq no doubt we would have considered that an act of war and gone to war with Iran over that. Assassinations of foriegn leaders is not the kind of military strikes that don't need congressional approval."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSoleimani was an official, probably the second in power of a soveriegn state, and assassinating him was an act of war and a risk by Trump of taking us into war. Had the Iranians assassinated General Petraes or General Mattis during the war in Iraq no doubt we would have considered that an act of war and gone to war with Iran over that. Assassinations of foriegn leaders is not the kind of military strikes that don't need congressional approval.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIf Patraes or Mattis had just finished attacking an Iranian embassy and killing Iranian citizens, and they were in Iraq at the time to coordinate further attacks against Iran, then they would have been valid military targets.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIf Patraes or Mattis had just finished attacking an Iranian embassy and killing Iranian citizens, and they were in Iraq at the time to coordinate further attacks against Iran, then they would have been valid military targets.Last edited by JimL; 01-11-2020, 03:19 PM.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostAnd the Trump administrations briefing to Congress did not show any evidence of those claims of attacks or planned imminent attacks against Americans. Even the President himself has no idea what those supposed plans of imminent attack were. he was interviewed on FOX, of course, where he was asked about it and replied, I think there could be 4 Embassies planned for attack and there could have been other things as well, but I think at least 4. In other words he has no clue and as usual is just rambling.
Ingraham: Don't the American people have the right to know what specifically was targeted without revealing methods and sources?
Trump: Well, I don't think so, but we will tell you that probably it was going to be the embassy in Baghdad. You saw that happening. You saw with all of the men, very few women, circling it and circling it very strongly and very viciously, knocking out windows and trying to get and they were close to getting in, and I called out the military. They said we'll have it there tomorrow. I said, nope, you'll have it there today. We're not going to have another Benghazi on our hands. And we did a really amazing job. I get no credit for it, but we never get credit for anything, and that's OK.
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Ingraham: Did they have large scale attacks planned for other embassies? And if those were planned, why can't we reveal that to the American people. Wouldn't that help your case?
Trump: I can reveal that I believe it would have been four embassies. And I think that probably Baghdad already started. They were really amazed that we came in with that kind of a force. We came in with very powerful force and drove them out. That ended almost immediately. But Baghdad certainly would've been the lead. But I think it would've been four embassies that had been military bases -- could've been a lot of other things too, but it was imminent. And then all of a sudden he was gone.
https://factba.se/transcript/donald-...anuary-10-2020
Remember, intelligence gathering is rarely like the movies where they can pinpoint exactly who, what, when, and where, so they can know that something is definitely going to happen even if they don't know precisely what. The other thing to keep in mind is that Trump is talking in very general terms because, as Ingraham pointed out, he can't publicly reveal sources and methods.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTrump's actual statements in context:
Ingraham: Don't the American people have the right to know what specifically was targeted without revealing methods and sources?
Trump: Well, I don't think so, but we will tell you that probably it was going to be the embassy in Baghdad. You saw that happening. You saw with all of the men, very few women, circling it and circling it very strongly and very viciously, knocking out windows and trying to get and they were close to getting in, and I called out the military. They said we'll have it there tomorrow. I said, nope, you'll have it there today. We're not going to have another Benghazi on our hands. And we did a really amazing job. I get no credit for it, but we never get credit for anything, and that's OK.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSoleimani was an official, probably the second in power of a soveriegn state, ...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTrump's power to get liberals to defend terrorists and State Sponsors of Terrorism is amazing.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNobody's defending terrorists, though your perspective is not surprising.
Originally posted by JimL View PostSoleimani was an official, probably the second in power of a soveriegn state,
Soleimani was a murderous thug who even killed his own people who were protesting the totalitarian regime of the world's largest State Sponsor of Terror, that you refer to as a "soveriegn [sic] state"
That crap is straight out of the loony left's talking points.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostArticle 1, section 8 of the Constitution gives the power to declare war to Congress, not the President. Presidents, and to some extent Congress, have ignored this, though in 1973 Congress through the war powers resolution tried to wrest that ceded power back from the President, though, again to little effect. But the Constitution is clear, only Congress can declare war, the President, as Commander and Chief, can direct it once declared.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd the amazing thing is that they don't even realize they're doing it!
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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