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Secret FISA court issues highly unusual public rebuke of FBI for mistakes
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Could there be some CYA in there? As I understand it, FISA warrants get approved about 98% of the time, which some consider to be excessively rubber-stampy. This fiasco has libertarians and other privacy-minded people wanting to thoroughly revamp the FISA system, if not dump it totally.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostCould there be some CYA in there? As I understand it, FISA warrants get approved about 98% of the time, which some consider to be excessively rubber-stampy. This fiasco has libertarians and other privacy-minded people wanting to thoroughly revamp the FISA system, if not dump it totally.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostCould there be some CYA in there? As I understand it, FISA warrants get approved about 98% of the time, which some consider to be excessively rubber-stampy. This fiasco has libertarians and other privacy-minded people wanting to thoroughly revamp the FISA system, if not dump it totally.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
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Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think it is very telling that they are calling them "errors" - it was outright fraud and lies. It was deliberate. No error.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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FISA Court rebukes FBI
Rosemary Collyer, the presiding judge of the secret FISA court that granted the FBI surveillance warrants on Trump's former campaign aide Carter Page, has issued an unprecedented public rebuke of the FBI for their serial abuses in the surveillance of him. She declared that the bureau deliberately misled the court when it sought permission to wiretap Page.
Collyer said the FBI's handling of the case "was antithetical to the heightened duty of candor" required by the law that established the FISA court and that their actions "calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable."
"The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable," Collyer wrote in her 4 page statement.
In her assessment the derelictions in the Page surveillance warrants were so serious, that the FISA court can no longer be confident that any warrant applications the FBI has submitted to them are accurate and complete, that even if their assertions are true that they aren't misleading because of the omission of relevant information.
As a result Collyer has called for major reforms of the FBI and ordered them to provide a written explanation by January 10th how it intends to fix the problem.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsay Graham (R-SC) said that he was "very pleased to see the FISA court condemn the FISA warrant application and process against Carter Page" and said that he hopes that Republicans and Democrats can unite in order "to make changes to better protect civil liberties while maintaining our ability to monitor foreign surveillance directed against our economic and national security interests."
Personally, I think that this is a far bigger story than the impeachment circus. If you say that you don't care about the intentional abuses which included providing deliberately doctored documents to the court because it was a Trumper they were after then you really know nothing whatsoever about justice, nor care a whit about it. You are a fraud. A fake. A pretender.
That the FBI would willingly lie and doctor documents in order to go after someone ought to send a chill down your spine for if it can happen to those you dislike it can also happen to those you like -- and can even happen to you.
Last edited by rogue06; 12-20-2019, 04:58 AM.
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yeah, like here.
On Tweb... Secret FISA court issues highly unusual public rebuke of FBI for mistakes
Or is this different?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostFinally someone calls them out for lying and deliberately misleading the court instead of saying they were "errors."
And you don't "accidentally" or "mistakenly" doctor documents like they did.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postyeah, like here.
On Tweb... Secret FISA court issues highly unusual public rebuke of FBI for mistakes
Or is this different?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Personally, I think that this is a far bigger story than the impeachment circus. If you say that you don't care about the intentional abuses which included providing deliberately doctored documents to the court because it was a Trumper they were after then you really know nothing whatsoever about justice, nor care a whit about it. You are a fraud. A fake. A pretender.
That the FBI would willingly lie and doctor documents in order to go after someone ought to send a chill down your spine for if it can happen to those you dislike it can also happen to those you like -- and can even happen to you.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI'm still taken aback at the silence about this coming from the left. Has their TDS gotten to the point that they just don't care what happens just as long as it is used to attack Trump? I mean they've already demonstrated that they're gleefully willing to scrap over 200 years of jurisprudence and allow third and fourth hand "testimony" from hearsay gossips.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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