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False Idol � Why the Christian Right Worships Donald Trump
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I said false accusations, but I suppose "false investigations" works, too. I mean, look at present circumstances where Democrats are racing towards impeachment without ever explicitly defining what crimes Trump has supposedly committed and even saying that he can be impeached for lawful acts done with the "wrong" motives! Even someone politically opposed to Trump can admit that Democrats are off the rails on this one.Last edited by Mountain Man; 12-10-2019, 08:27 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Jim, he believed his own hype, he was after all the ONE...
That he thought highly of his capacity to accomplish that goal should not bother you given who you now support.
Further, at least Obama had the sense to know it was his collective team that would do the thing, and not him alone.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 12-10-2019, 08:14 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThere are different views of baptism in the church in regards to its necessity and effectiveness for salvation. Everything from merely a symbol to you aren't saved without it.
Traditions that emphasise its necessity tend to practice infant baptism, those that emphasize its symbolic nature tend to practice baptism after confession of faith. This applies to those born into the faith. All churches baptize new converts after profession of faith.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostI believe the bible says that baptism is a necessity for salvation...
According to Romans 10:9, "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." That's the only requirement for salvation.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI believe the bible says that baptism is a necessity for salvation, but I understand that for some reason there are contradictory views on this so your explanation makes sense. Thanks.
But there is some variation in Protestantism, with Church of Christ being an example of a tradition that is fairly hard line on Baptism being required.
I'm making the point only to say a person with a Christian background that is no longer a believer can have different notions of what Christians believe about such things without being ignorant of the elements of Christian faith as they practiced it. Different traditions do teach differently on these topics.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostObviously not. Otherwise Jesus lied to the thief on the cross.
According to Romans 10:9, "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." That's the only requirement for salvation.
This has been debated for Millenia. We actually agree in terms of how we interpret this, but that doesn't mean Christian tradition as a whole is settled on the issue, or that traditions that teach differently than what you and I believe about it are necessarily wrong, or not themselves Christian.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostMM - this is a typical protestant (baptist/pentacostal) interpretation. the RCC teaches very differnently, as does the Protestant Church of Christ - With the most prominent supporting verse being:
This has been debated for Millenia. We actually agree in terms of how we interpret this, but that doesn't mean Christian tradition as a whole is settled on the issue, or that traditions that teach differently than what you and I believe about it are necessarily wrong, or not themselves Christian.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post1 Peter says that baptism is a saving act and not that it is necessary for salvation.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostMM - I'm not debating whether or not you should read that verse in a specific way. My point is that other Christian traditions read it differently. Are you going to claim any Christian tradition that understands this verse to imply the sacrement of Baptism is required is not Christian? If not, then there is nothing more to say, because all I'm doing is pointing out there is more than one understanding of that verse within the Christian faith. If so, then you exclude a very large part of Christendom from being 'Christian'.
Jim
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Yeah, they just praised him as a messiah and declared he was equivalent to if not greater than Jesus and is a god. No worship there
Oh, and a lot of those on bended knee showering their Obamessiah with adoration are definitely not black such as Evan Thomas, Chris Matthews, Ezra Klein, Mark Morford, Barbara Walters, Michael D'Antuono, Angelo Cruciani, Jonathan Alter, Dave Stewart, Jason Alexander, Margaret Cho and Joan Baez. A few others I have no idea what their race may be.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt's just another one of rogue's zillion paragraphs of cherry-picked quotes, which he thinks makes for an unbeatable argument. It's endearing really.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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