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Originally posted by Ronson View PostI don't know where you are accessing this "today's Republican standard". No matter who the subject is, there is always someone further to the right or left to call them a RINO or a DINO. Myself being a Libertarian, I'll let your party decide who is/is not Republican enough.
From my perspective, based on performance as Commander in Chief, Eisenhower was more conservative than any of his successors from either party.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostThat may be true, but he'd still be considered a Rino in todays Republican party.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThis is one of those fun talking points because it's impossible to prove or disprove.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd absolutely positively useless.
Eisenhower was the golfing President, always at the links. And many viewed him as a "hands off" and a poor president, even a commie sympathizer (John Birch Society was influential at the time). That view definitely changed after historians poured over the archives. Ike was a military general, who used the general staff system to great effect in war, so it makes sense that he would adopt what he was familiar with.
Coolidge, a hero for today's conservatives was from a different era, coming to national attention as a governor who declined federal aid after a disastrous flood. He rebuffedfederal,aid with a terse "We can take care of our own".
Ike called in federal troops into Little Rock, the ultimate exercise of federal power, effectively killing off the old reserve system of Guard troops being beholden to the governor.
Nixon became the standard bearer for Republicans and conservatives, h e was a fierce anti communist. Next was Reagan who defined conservatism for a half century. Bush lost conservatis and Christians with his "compassionate conservatism". But was that really counter to conservative principles held at the time?
We see a shift in what and who represents some ideal conservatism, whose platform propels conservatives to the polls. Mit Romney failed to excite any conservative base.
Today we can contrast Romney and Trump. One is a conservative icon, the other a Rino.Last edited by simplicio; 12-06-2019, 03:38 AM.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostSure. Relatively, Coolidge didn't do much while in office, which is what defines a conservative IMO.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostSure. Relatively, Coolidge didn't do much while in office, which is what defines a conservative IMO.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostNot useless, but informative for how we view the term conservative across time.
Originally posted by simplicio View PostEisenhower was the golfing President, always at the links.
Originally posted by simplicio View PostAnd many viewed him as a "hands off" and a poor president, even a commie sympathizer (John Birch Society was influential at the time).
Originally posted by simplicio View PostThat view definitely changed after historians poured over the archives. Ike was a military general, who used the general staff system to great effect in war, so it makes sense that he would adopt what he was familiar with.
Coolidge, a hero for today's conservatives was from a different era, coming to national attention as a governor who declined federal aid after a disastrous flood. He rebuffedfederal,aid with a terse "We can take care of our own".
Ike called in federal troops into Little Rock, the ultimate exercise of federal power, effectively killing off the old reserve system of Guard troops being beholden to the governor.
Originally posted by simplicio View PostNixon became the standard bearer for Republicans and conservatives, h e was a fierce anti communist.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI don't agree with that definition at all. There's nothing about conservatism (politically and morally speaking) that implies stagnation.
Would you mind defining the term as you understand it?
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI don't agree with that definition at all. There's nothing about conservatism (politically and morally speaking) that implies stagnation.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostIt is justified "stagnation" when change isn't called for.
Would you mind defining the term as you understand it?
In American football, a coach who gets the lead and then tries to manage the game to keep the other team from winning is considered "conservative", but I don't think that translates well to social policy. In my opinion, a real conservative is someone who "runs the score up", as it were, and leaves his opponents so far behind that they have no hope of ever catching up. For too long, conservatives in the US have tried to play the game by keeping one step ahead of the liberals when we should have been sprinting for the goal line instead, leaving our opponents in the dust.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostI assumed it was meant as "useless since it is subjective".
Seems like they all do that.
For some reason, the John Birch Society was trying to get me to join their organization in the 1980s (I don't know why they targeted me). But judging by the literature they were leaving at my door, they think most people to their left are commie sympathizers.
He was enforcing the Constitution.
Huh? Care to elaborate?
Some cast doubt on Nixon's bona fides as a conservative.
Yes he was enforcing the constitution. But it was a bold move to use Army troops. Eisenhower prepared the ground before sending in the 101 div to Little Rock. He consulted with his staff, the Army staff, and talked to many politicians so that it would not blow up in his face. The principle of states rights as secondary to federal prerogatives was not settled, in may ways Eisenhower settled it at Little Rock.
He federalized the Arkansas National Guard, stripping it of it legal status. (in order to get them to stand down, they were moved away from the school). I do not know if that was allowed under law.
Governor Orval Faubus called up the Guard at the beginning of September to block the black students. After Eisenhower called in the Army, there was still the possibility that Army troops would oppose National Guard and local cotizens. It was a tense situation.Last edited by simplicio; 12-06-2019, 09:01 AM.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostNixon was considered a conservative in the 1960 and 68 elctions,
Originally posted by simplicio View Postand arguably considered the standard bearer of the Republican party. He rose to prominence for his role in combating communism. After China fell to Mao, Nixon helped lead the charge against the red and lavender threats in the Unamerican Activities subcommittee and and as right hand man for the McCarthy hearing, along with the Pumpkin Papers fiasco (Whitaker Chambers was a communist).
Some cast doubt on Nixon's bona fides as a conservative.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI didn't see it as stagnation, but as keeping traditional values and not allowing the liberals to do all their moronic social engineering."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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