List of Trump's crimes?

[Cow Poke]

Agreed, as some of us conservatives here on Tweb concede - Trump is his own worst enemy. If he'd just keep his mouth shut, and somebody would manage his Twitter account, I believe he would win reelection by a major landslide.

As it is, he seems to be absolutely determined to defeat himself.

[Mountain Man]

Wellll... Maybe second most when you include good ol' Mad Max[ine] Waters. IIRC she was calling for Trump to be impeached before he was even sworn in.

She's also the one that said that a lack of evidence just means we haven't looked hard enough to figure out what Trump is guilty.

But then you have other nut balls like Joe Biden saying, "They have facts, but we have truth," and Ocasio-Cortez saying, "It's better to be morally right than factually correct," and whoever it was that said that hearsay is superior to direct evidence, and I'm not sure there's any hope for the Democrat party.

[firstfloor]

I can tell you didn't read the article.

Also, the judge would be entitled to do no such thing, and in fact the judge showing undue preference for the prosecution would probably result in a mistrial.

The compulsion part has to do with obtaining evidence by use of torture, historically.

[Cow Poke]

She's also the one that said that a lack of evidence just means we haven't looked hard enough to figure out what Trump is guilty.

But then you have other nut balls like Joe Biden saying, "They have facts, but we have truth," and Ocasio-Cortez saying, "It's better to be morally right than factually correct," and whoever it was that said that hearsay is superior to direct evidence, and I'm not sure there's any hope for the Democrat party.

And, if they have the goods, why do they have to keep changing the 'charge', and consulting with focus groups on what to call this?

[Mountain Man]

I think it's possible that, if Schiff weren't being such a jackass in this, Trump would be in much more trouble than he is.

I can't see how. There's no evidence that Trump's actions towards Ukraine ever rose to the level of improper, and certainly not criminal.

[Cow Poke]

The compulsion part has to do with obtaining evidence by use of torture, historically.

No. Just no. THIS is the silly claim you made...

You're just wrong.

[Mountain Man]

Agreed, as some of us conservatives here on Tweb concede - Trump is his own worst enemy. If he'd just keep his mouth shut, and somebody would manage his Twitter account, I believe he would win reelection by a major landslide.

As it is, he seems to be absolutely determined to defeat himself.

Trump is a master at baiting his opponents, but he seems unable to resist bait himself.

[Cow Poke]

I can't see how. There's no evidence that Trump's actions towards Ukraine ever rose to the level of improper, and certainly not criminal.

Because it's not about criminality -- it's about public perception. Impeachment, unfortunately, is entirely political, and this particular round is as partisan as it gets.

[firstfloor]

No. Just no. THIS is the silly claim you made...

You're just wrong.

Yes, yes, I have given up that line of arguement and concede defeat.
Was just reading up on the history of the right to remain silent.

I am now studying the art of constructive discussion.

[rogue06]

She's also the one that said that a lack of evidence just means we haven't looked hard enough to figure out what Trump is guilty.

But then you have other nut balls like Joe Biden saying, "They have facts, but we have truth," and Ocasio-Cortez saying, "It's better to be morally right than factually correct," and whoever it was that Mike Quigley (D-IL) who said that hearsay is superior to direct evidence, and I'm not sure there's any hope for the Democrat party.

FIFY n/c

[Cow Poke]

Yes, yes, I have given up that line of arguement and concede defeat.

Conceding defeat is absolutely against the rules!

No, I mean that, Roy -- you know FAR more about this than I do - I'm conceding.

Oh. Ok.

Isn't that against TWeb rules?

Was just reading up on the history of the right to remain silent.

It's a two-edged sword - defense attorneys know full well that there may well be the PERCEPTION that "pleading the 5th" may make you look guilty, but it cannot be argued in court as proof or evidence of guilt.

I am now studying the art of constructive discussion.

HERE? On TWEB?!?!?!

[whag]

I can't see how. There's no evidence that Trump's actions towards Ukraine ever rose to the level of improper, and certainly not criminal.

[firstfloor]

Because it's not about criminality -- it's about public perception. Impeachment, unfortunately, is entirely political, and this particular round is as partisan as it gets.

The articles of impeachment will explain all. Public understanding matters because it might reach a threshold, in terms of numbers, when Republicans will act honourably.

[Cow Poke]

It was dumb. Was it illegal? Is it actually impeachable?

And, at the risk of somebody screaming "aboutism", was it "wrong" when Biden did it? Why is it that Biden doing essentially the same thing cannot be considered?

[Cow Poke]

The articles of impeachment will explain all.

That doesn't change the fact that this whole thing is incredibly political and partisan.

Public understanding matters because it might reach a threshold, in terms of numbers, when Republicans will act honourably.

"Honoroably", of course, meaning agreeing with the Democrats. Same as "bipartisan" and "compromising".