Originally posted by Mountain Man
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
Civics 101 Guidelines
Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less
Whistleblower identified
Collapse
X
-
Putin is just getting everything he can get out of Trump for as long as Trump can put off his inevitable ousting. Like Pelosi said to Trump, "with you, all roads lead to Russia." If he's smart, he'll personally take one of those roads himself and stay there.
All issues of which Trump has ceded to the interests of Russia.
And McConnells reputation in the history books - hero or villain?
Comment
-
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou are nuts.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostMultiple instances of Obstruction per the Mueller report and ongoing resistance with the impeachment inquiry and quid pro quo abuse of power in ukraine. Not to mention multiple violations of the emoluments clause. And I would not be surprised to see campaign finance show up as well.
Zero evidence to date of quid pro quo. All we have are witnesses wringing their hands and crying about how troubled they were by Trump's phonecall, but surely that's their problem, and even they when directly questioned have been forced to concede that there was no crime.
Finally, zero evidence that Trump has violated the emoluments clause. I've seen lots of supposition and speculation to that end, but nothing in the way of hard facts.
So...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
Comment
-
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMueller never said any of those instances were actual obstruction, merely potentially obstructive, and last I checked, "potential obstruction" is not a crime. Even Rod Rosenstein, no friend of Trump, signed off on the Department of Justice's findings that none of the incidences described by Mueller rose to the level of a crime.
Zero evidence to date of quid pro quo. All we have are witnesses wringing their hands and crying about how troubled they were by Trump's phonecall, but surely that's their problem, and even they when directly questioned have been forced to concede that there was no crime.
Finally, zero evidence that Trump has violated the emoluments clause. I've seen lots of supposition and speculation to that end, but nothing in the way of hard facts.
So...My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
Comment
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt always comes back to me, doesn't it?
And at some point one needs to face the fact that continued denials of the obvious implies a mental problem. Impeachment is going forward. The testimony this week and last makes it clear Trump was indeed holding the 400M over the heads of the Ukraine leaders on the condition they publicly commit to investigating Trump's political rival. To pretend that is 'nothing' is ... nuts. The Senate still may not vote to remove, that is the wild card here, how willing are senate republicans to compromise their integrity to keep trump in power, but the indictments are going to be there, and the evidence supporting them is quite strong.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
Comment
-
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostMueller could not indict, or even recommend indictment, but as he said, congress can. So I expect to see articles of impeachment that do indeed 'indict' for obstruction based at least in part on the facts laid out in the Mueller report.
Only if you keep your head in the sand. Just this week Two witnesses so far have confirmed the money was conditioned on an investigation of Biden. Only in the world of yes men and soothing prophets does that not amount to quid-pro-quo.
Nothing at all, just all that money earned from foreign diplomats in his hotels. You're a laugh a minute MM
Zero evidence that anybody in the Ukrainian government was aware that the funds had been withheld making any kind of quid pro quo agreement literally impossible.
And remember what I said about seeing lots of supposition and speculation about emoluments but no hard facts? You just presented a textbook example.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
Comment
-
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post? That is not a reply to you, it is a reply to MM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post? That is not a reply to you, it is a reply to MM.
And at some point one needs to face the fact that continued denials of the obvious implies a mental problem. Impeachment is going forward. The testimony this week and last makes it clear Trump was indeed holding the 400M over the heads of the Ukraine leaders on the condition they publicly commit to investigating Trump's political rival. To pretend that is 'nothing' is ... nuts. The Senate still may not vote to remove, that is the wild card here, how willing are senate republicans to compromise their integrity to keep trump in power, but the indictments are going to be there, and the evidence supporting them is quite strong."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
Comment
-
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSo when the disappointment comes and the whole story comes out to destroy your latest conspiracy theory, will you ditch the tin foil hat or will you tighten it around your head some more?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
Comment
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI know.
Originally posted by CPIt always comes back to me, doesn't it?
( It is nuts. Everthing the whistleblower was concerned about has been shown to have a solid basis in fact. )Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-31-2019, 10:52 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
Comment
-
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI'm not going to try to predict the future pix. We'll see how it unfolds. You pitched your tent with a deceiver and a man who has abused the office of POTUS and the law. But sometimes people like that win in the end despite the best efforts of honest and good people.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 10-31-2019, 10:46 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
Comment
-
It took a while to get Al Capone in jail too. Trump is doing a lot of crazy and bad things. But he has a lot of help from unethical players that want to feed off his plate, and a lot of experience with getting away with things that would put most people in jail. So we'll just have to wait and see how it unfolds.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
Comment
-
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt took a while to get Al Capone in jail too. Trump is doing a lot of crazy and bad things. But he has a lot of help from unethical players that want to feed off his plate, and a lot of experience with getting away with things that would put most people in jail. So we'll just have to wait and see how it unfolds."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
Comment
-
Al Capone was not the most evil person that ever lived. So me talking about the length of time it took to get Al Capone does not bolster you claim I think "Trump is the most evil person ever". I think he is dirty up one side and down the other. But that's not the same thing.
And the facts we have so far observed make it quite clear Trump was trying to force Ukraine into investigating the Bidens. And that is illegal.
So you'll have to do better than just another rant pix. You need some actual substance.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
Comment
Related Threads
Collapse
Topics | Statistics | Last Post | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
Started by Cow Poke, Today, 09:42 AM
|
5 responses
16 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by rogue06
Today, 11:01 AM
|
||
Started by Cow Poke, Today, 08:04 AM
|
22 responses
78 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by rogue06
Today, 11:04 AM
|
||
Started by Cow Poke, Today, 07:47 AM
|
17 responses
47 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by Sparko
Today, 10:38 AM
|
||
Started by Starlight, Yesterday, 10:22 PM
|
12 responses
79 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by seer
Today, 08:49 AM
|
||
Started by seer, Yesterday, 01:39 PM
|
13 responses
53 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by rogue06
Today, 08:27 AM
|
Comment