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[Tassman]

Only the pro-abortion crowd can conflate a convicted murderer with the most innocent of all human life.

[seer]

How much do Christians really

Executing a murder or child rapist for instance protects the larger society. And war can do the same - killing ISIS fighters and Nazis is a morally good thing. And my Church feeds hundreds of people a month. I have linked those pictures in the past. And yes socialism can become evil.

Yes homosexuality is sinful, blacks are not inferior, according to scripture we are all created in the image of God, slavery was just a part of the ancient world and regulated in the Old Testament (and it was Christians who led the abolition movement in the West). Jim Crow laws have nothing to do with Biblical teachings, neither does racism.

None of these human beings have more for you. But it makes you feel righteous to witter on about the termination of innate fetuses in first term abortions as How pathetic are you?

And you are an idiot. Even if I was hypocritical that doesn't change the holocaust of abortion. In your world it is wrong to enslave the man, but it would be perfectly fine to have killed the same man as a baby in the womb. Morally twisted...

[Cow Poke]

A convicted murderer is nevertheless a sentient human being as opposed to an innate fetus.

How bout you invite the convicted murderer to live with you, and I'll support the 'innate fetus', otherwise known as an unborn baby.

The unborn child has committed no crime. Zero. Nada. But, please, do continue defending convicted murderers.

[rogue06]

How bout you invite the convicted murderer to live with you, and I'll support the 'innate fetus', otherwise known as an unborn baby.



The unborn child has committed no crime. Zero. Nada. But, please, do continue defending convicted murderers.

In Tass' mixed up muddled up world a convicted murderer deserves more protection than an unborn baby

[Cow Poke]

In Tass' mixed up muddled up world a convicted murderer deserves more protection than an unborn baby

And he's proud of that.

[Teallaura]

I'm pro-life and anti-death penalty. I think both the murderer and the unborn deserve equal protection under the law.

At present, the difference is the murderer gets due process and the baby does not.

[Cow Poke]

I'm pro-life and anti-death penalty. I think both the murderer and the unborn deserve equal protection under the law.

At present, the difference is the murderer gets due process and the baby does not.

I'm pro-life and pretty much agnostic toward the death penalty, except in extreme cases.

In both abortion and death penalty, there are no opportunities for reconsideration.

[KingsGambit]

I'm pro-life and pretty much agnostic toward the death penalty, except in extreme cases.

In both abortion and death penalty, there are no opportunities for reconsideration.

Me too on all counts.

[Teallaura]

I'm pro-life and pretty much agnostic toward the death penalty, except in extreme cases.

In both abortion and death penalty, there are no opportunities for reconsideration.

Yep, which is why killing people to solve your problem is stupid, whether individual or collective.

[demi-conservative]

Yep, which is why killing people to solve your problem is stupid, whether individual or collective.

Describing God as 'stupid' should give the Christian pause.

[Tassman]

Executing a murder or child rapist for instance protects the larger society.

And war can do the same - killing ISIS fighters and Nazis is a morally good thing.

And my Church feeds hundreds of people a month. I have linked those pictures in the past. And yes socialism can become evil.

Yes homosexuality is sinful,

Some Christians think so the majority today do not. Both sides use the bible to justify their position.

blacks are not inferior, according to scripture we are all created in the image of God, slavery was just a part of the ancient world and regulated in the Old Testament (and it was Christians who led the abolition movement in the West). Jim Crow laws have nothing to do with Biblical teachings, neither does racism.

And you are an idiot. Even if I was hypocritical that doesn't change the holocaust of abortion. In your world it is wrong to enslave the man, but it would be perfectly fine to have killed the same man as a baby in the womb. Morally twisted...

except that the coordinated brain activity required for consciousness does not occur until 24-25 weeks of pregnancy. The man you are executing is a fully conscious sentient being, the first term fetus is not. There's a considerable difference.

[seer]

There you go again! What is civilized in your relative world? And some would call the death penalty justice. And there is a clear deterrent - that person will NEVER murder or rape again. Whether in society or in the prison population.



We agree, sometimes killing our fellow man is a moral good, even if we find value in their lives as humans.

Right, as a Christian, me and my Church help the poor daily - so what is your point? And I'm not sure where in the West unfettered capitalism exists. And Socialism tends towards more and more central control, at the expense of individual liberty.

Some Christians think so the majority today do not. Both sides use the bible to justify their position.

Then let them show me their Scripture that backs their case up. I can show you mine.

Do you deny that the abolition movement was spearheaded by Christians? BTW I'm a Congregationalists, you know like in John Brown and Harriet Beecher Stowe.

except that the coordinated brain activity required for consciousness does not occur until 24-25 weeks of pregnancy. The man you are executing is a fully conscious sentient being, the first term fetus is not. There's a considerable difference.

So what? Does awareness suddenly impute value to the human that it didn't have before? Why? According to whom?

[Cow Poke]

One of the reasons I'm not really pro-death penalty (though that is falsely accused of me simply because I am pro-life) is that the way it is administered in our country often results in somebody being on "death row" for years or decades or pretty much the end of their lives awaiting, or appealing, the death sentence. The "punishment" is so far removed from the crime that, I tend to agree, there is not much demonstrable deterrent.

If it were to be administered more quickly, there would be an attachment to the crime that might serve as a deterrent to others. HOWEVER, having worked with a number of death row inmates at "The Walls" unit in Huntsville, Texas, I have seen a number of cases where the conviction was subsequently tossed because of new advances in DNA technology. Had the execution taken place "quickly", the condemned would have been unjustly punished permanently.

And yet the history of the Southern Baptist Conference...

Still demonstrating your profound ignorance of the SBC, I see -- it's the Southern Baptist CONVENTION.

(Go ahead and add some dead preacher quotes)

[JimL]

Describing God as 'stupid' should give the Christian pause.

But the christian concept of god is amoral, so it doesn't matter.

[seer]

But the christian concept of god is amoral, so it doesn't matter.

And what do you know about morality Jim?