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Originally posted by Tassman View Postfify
I'm willing to make a deal: Permanently disenfranchise every person who has supported or voted for Trump *and* every person who has supported or voted for either Clinton.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat never happened.
As for Dershorwitz, his position hasn't changed. From the CNN link, but buried at the very bottom of the article where you obviously didn't notice: "You need criminal-type behavior akin to treason and bribery. It doesn't have to be a technical crime because at the time that the framers wrote the constitution there was no criminal code."
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...-ac360-vpx.cnn
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNo. Since when do you bribe someone by withholding money?
Trump asked a "favor" in return for both -- the WH meeting (bribery) and the security aid that was already due by law (extortion).
How is it that people here are still stuck on issues that were explained in October?
--Sam
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostDoes one want a president who appoints porn stars to official positions, ...
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostActually - it did. And it is as obvious as the sun in the desert except to those as who choose not to see it.
More importantly, you focus on the idea that if the framers didn't mention a specific lawless act, or the criminal code does not detail a specific act as a crime, it can't be impeachable. But at the heart of every element mentioned in the constitution is a lawless leader that abuses his power as president. It is impossible to mention in a document every possible abuse of power that would be impeachable, but we are given examples of the same. And one of those examples is bribery. Blackmail is not mentioned, but blackmail is an especially heinous form of bribery, and it is basically what the president has done to Ukraine. He has said to them - you announce an investigation on Biden, or I will refuse to allow this country to help you fight off the Russian invasion. That investigation on Biden serves no purpose but to benefit the president in the upcoming election and has serious negative national security implications. The President has put his own personal gain over the best interests of the nation.
There is no more serious abuse of power than that, no more abusive form of bribery than that. You are playing a legalistic game in an attempt to excuse extreme excess at the peril of the nation.
How can you in good conscience ally yourself in this way MM?
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat never happened.
As for Dershorwitz, his position hasn't changed. From the CNN link, but buried at the very bottom of the article where you obviously didn't notice: "You need criminal-type behavior akin to treason and bribery. It doesn't have to be a technical crime because at the time that the framers wrote the constitution there was no criminal code."
More importantly, you focus on the idea that if the framers didn't mention a specific lawless act, or the criminal code does not detail a specific act as a crime, it can't be impeachable. But at the heart of every element mentioned in the constitution is a lawless leader that abuses his power as president. It is impossible to mention in a document every possible abuse of power that would be impeachable, but we are given examples of the same. And one of those examples is bribery. Blackmail is not mentioned, but blackmail is an especially heinous form of bribery, and it is basically what the president has done to Ukraine. He has said to them - you announce an investigation on Biden, or I will refuse to allow this country to help you fight off the Russian invasion. That investigation on Biden serves no purpose but to benefit the president in the upcoming election and has serious negative national security implications. The President has put his own personal gain over the best interests of the nation.
There is no more serious abuse of power than that, no more abusive form of bribery than that. You are playing a legalistic game in an attempt to excuse extreme excess at the peril of the nation.
How can you in good conscience ally yourself in this way MM?Last edited by oxmixmudd; 01-21-2020, 07:36 AM.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post...extorting a foreign leader to interfere in the US elections.
As for Dershorwitz, his position hasn't changed. From the CNN link, but buried at the very bottom of the article where you obviously didn't notice: "You need criminal-type behavior akin to treason and bribery. It doesn't have to be a technical crime because at the time that the framers wrote the constitution there was no criminal code."
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIs it a crime to appoint porn stars to official positions?
Trump certainly is somebody who completely corrupts the office of president and who abuses trust and who poses great danger to US liberty. Among other things by extorting a foreign leader to interfere in the US elections.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostAndrew Johnson wasn't impeached for violating criminal law, he was impeached, by a vote of 35 -19, for "abuse of power."
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