yep the questions from the Democrats are all about their false narrative. not about what was actualy said.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSome of them are first hand witnesses. But Trump is illegally obstructing justice by prohibiting many of the first-hand witnesses from testifying despite congressional subpoenas (e.g. Bolton, Mulvaney etc). Bolton currently has a case before the courts to confirm that he is legally obligated to obey the congressional subpoena to testify despite Trump's obstructive acts to demand that he not.
As for your example...
In the case of Bolton, he is no longer part of the Trump Administration so Trump can hardly stop him from testifying if he wants to. He doesn't.
Bolton announced that he wanted a federal court to first rule on a lawsuit by his former deputy seeking a court ruling wrt the opposing claims by the Administration and Congress. His former assistant, Charles Kupperman, who was also subpoenaed filed a lawsuit in federal court requesting a judge to rule on the issue. As USA Today put it
As a result, all of a sudden, Schiff and his gang (who had been darkly threatening him that he better testify or at the very least he'll be cited for contempt & who had been telling the media how instrumental his testimony is) dropped the subpoena like a hot potato.
It's almost like they have grave doubts that the courts will rule with them on this and if they don't then it'll be impossible for them to charge Trump on contempt of Congress.
So it looks like Congress won't be actually pressuring Kupperman, and in extension, Bolton and IIRC Mick Mulvaney as well, into testifying. But if they drop the subpoenas then that will still make it increasingly difficult to claim Trump is guilty of contempt for blocking subpoenas that were dropped.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'm not sure whether Dimbulb is playing ignorant and hoping none of the rest of us keep up with current events, or if he's genuinely ignorant.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostKeep in mind that he lives half-way around the world, and considers comedians to be legitimate sources of news. I'm guessing the ignorance is genuine.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostKen Starr says there's no hope of impeachment because there was no crime.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThat's not what people want to hear, so what he says can be safely disregarded.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWord is even Justin Amash wasn't impressed with today's hearing.
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Originally posted by seer View PostI watched most of it, what came though - clearly - was that all the claims of Trump doing this or that were based on second and third hand information.
Also Republicans: No one who spoke directly to the president will be allowed to testify.
Fortunately in this case, I don't think Obstruction of Justice is going to be able to save them. The evidence with regard to the crimes committed is already overwhelming."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by seer View PostNeither witness had any first hand knowledge of wrongdoing by Trump.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostNo it actually only brings inconsistent parts of his testimony into question. People lie but people don't lie about everything so if testimony is found to be incorrect about one thing it can be generally assumed that anything else that conflicts with other witnesses may be questionable AND any other unique detail that support the witnesses narrative is also questionable.
So if Sondland said anything else that is unique to his testimony and supports Trumps innocence then it's no longer reliable but everything else in line with other testimonies will still be regarded."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWord is even Justin Amash wasn't impressed with today's hearing.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostGoes to credibility. Once there's a proven lie under oath, all credibility goes - and all testimony comes into question.
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