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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd yet we have a transcript of this call and it simply does not match up to Vindman's recollections.
While true that the Democrats are not required to allow Republicans to call witnesses or cross-examine the ones that are called, it is equally true that if the Democrats deny these things
If Republicans believe they have some witnesses that would exonerate Trump (I can imagine who, but let's imagine for a moment that they found someone), they can of course public ask the Democrats for that witnesses testify. Indeed if Democrats were to refuse to allow a relevant witness to testify, that would look questionable."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostJudicial precedent says that a committee only has subpoena power if granted it by its chamber, which in this case means a House vote.
Subpoena rules differ slightly between different committees as to whether the chairman alone can issue the subpoena or whether a majority vote is needed or whether the ranking minority member has to be consulted: Full current subpoena rules summary is here
Current rules on record for impeachment grant the minority party subpoena power
and give the President's counsel the opportunity to question witnesses"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostSo this honored veteran has now testified under oath that he personally heard the call, and that Trump asked for additional favors not present in Trump's doctored version of the call, and that this veteran repeatedly expressed his concerns at the time that Trump's words were being removed from the summary of the call.
And so the right-wingers are trying to discredit him. Because their loyalty to Trump and to covering up his crimes is more important to them their respect for the troops.
Despite the whooping and hollering from liberals, Vindman's testimony is looking like another bust, and we still have zero evidence that Ukraine was aware that funds had been delayed or felt pressured to investigate Biden's possible crimes. In fact, President Zelinsky has repeatedly affirmed the opposite.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Dimbilbt View PostDuring past impeachments the House of those times passed a bunch of temporary rule...
and those "temporary" rules remain in effect until the House votes to change them, which hasn't happened because Pelosi knows it's an uphill battle with a slim chance of victory. That's why she refuses to make the impeachment inquiry official, because she doesn't want those rules automatically kicking in.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd yet we have a transcript of this call and it simply does not match up to Vindman's recollections. Sounds like a simple case of faulty recollection and again raises the question why are the Democrats so eager to bury the transcript.
I think you need to stop defending criminality or making excuses for it. Get on the right side and fight for justice and the American way.
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostYou should trust Vindman at least 1000 times more than you trust Trump...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostEven if we assume that's true, it doesn't change the fact that Vindman presented not a single fact that contradicts the official White House transcript. He disputed one or two words, but it was conceded in the hearing that this did not affect the accuracy of the transcript. The rest of his testimony was just him unloading his emotional baggage and was almost entirely without substance. There's a reason Schiff won't allow for a public hearing and real cross examination, because any competent attorney would rip that kind of testimony to shreds.
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Rep. Jim Jordan:
There are four fundamental facts that have never changed, never changed: Mr. Vindman is not the first one we've talked to who has been on the call. We've heard from President Trump and President Zelensky. We've got the transcript. Both President Trump and President Zelensky have said no conditions, no pressure, no pushing, no quid pro quo. We've got the transcript that shows that. We know that the Ukrainians did not know at the time of the call that aid had been withheld and, tell me, what actions the Ukrainians or President Zelensky took to get the aid turned back on.
Did he say he was going to investigate and do certain things? None of that happened. Those four facts have never changed.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...facts-n2555546Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRep. Jim Jordan:
There are four fundamental facts that have never changed, never changed: Mr. Vindman is not the first one we've talked to who has been on the call. We've heard from President Trump and President Zelensky. We've got the transcript. Both President Trump and President Zelensky have said no conditions, no pressure, no pushing, no quid pro quo. We've got the transcript that shows that. We know that the Ukrainians did not know at the time of the call that aid had been withheld and, tell me, what actions the Ukrainians or President Zelensky took to get the aid turned back on.
Did he say he was going to investigate and do certain things? None of that happened. Those four facts have never changed.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...facts-n2555546
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou mean the ones where Hillary testified in public and infamously snarled "What difference does it make?" when asked about why she didn't try to help or at least communicate with those trapped in the embassy?
And tell me little jimmy, were Democrats denied the right to call witnesses?
Were Democrats shut down when they tried to question the witnesses?
Do you want to fail better next time?Last edited by JimL; 10-30-2019, 09:33 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostFirst of all, stupid, after years of private, not public testimony, and millions of taxpayer dollars in the sham Benghazi hearings, no wrong doing was found. Second, as stated, the testimoney of witnesses was held in private. In the final report itself it's stated "The committees preference for private interviews over public hearings has been questioned." But don't worry yourself, stupid, Trump will get to testify if he wishes, and his lawyers will get to call their own witnesses and everything. Won't that be fun? And btw, just as an aside, your republican members on the committees haven't even been showing up for the hearings, so how about you stop the feigned concern about them getting shut down from asking questions.Last edited by rogue06; 10-30-2019, 04:52 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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About Trump "hiding" the "real" transcript, and telling his minions what to include in, and exclude from, the "public" version -- Does a "real" transcript even exist? I got the impression that there is really no such thing, not even a recording. My understanding was that many people listen to the original conversation simultaneously and take notes, then later compare those notes and create essentially a pseudo-transcript, and that is as close to the "real" conversation as we will ever get.
If there is a "real" transcript, then I agree, it should be released.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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