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Take This Impeachment And Shove It...
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Not to state the obvious but anyone reading Judge Leon's ruling would understand that he was responding to Kupperman's request to not dismiss the lawsuit on the basis that the House might just re-subpoena him. Leon was responding that House counsel has said Kupperman would not be subpoenaed in the future, not that it was never interested in his testimony.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSpeaking of Kupperman, the judge said that the fact that Democrats dropped the subpoena suggests that they were never really interested in hearing from the witness in the first place.
"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostAnd Jackson's ruling shows not just the lawfulness of the Kupperman subpoena but Congress' legitimate authority to call executive branch officials for testimony. As Jackson ruled, those officials don't have to waive valid executive privilege claims in testimony but they most definitely have to show up.
Nothing got "Mucked up" and you've simply repeated an assertion you cannot legally support.
--Sam
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDemocrats were talking about impeachment before Trump was even inaugurated!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat is because the questionability of the validity of the subpoena had not yet been brought up and Schiff and his cronies dropped it like a hot potato in order to make sure it never would.
Unbelievable.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostLook, I'm not here to insult anyone's intelligence but the validity of the subpoena was exactly the focus of the McGhan case that, at the time the Kupperman subpoena was dropped, was about to be ruled on by Judge Jackson. House counsel said at the time that it expected Kupperman and any other executive branch official to take the McGhan ruling as precedent.
Unbelievable.
--Sam
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDid Schiff's committee issue that subpoena or was it Nadler's?
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Lets just cut to the chase, we all know, including those here in denial, that the fact of the matter is that all those defending the president are in fear of what a fair trial, i.e. a trial with testimony of direct witnesses and previously blocked documents might expose. That's all there is to it!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLets just cut to the chase, we all know, including those here in denial, that the fact of the matter is that all those defending the president are in fear of what a fair trial, i.e. a trial with testimony of direct witnesses and previously blocked documents might expose. That's all there is to it!
Unrelated, here's an awesome quote from a video game: "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostMy question for Trump defenders is this: Putting politics aside for a moment don't you want to know what these witnesses and documents say? Aren't you *curious*? We know Trump doesn't want them to testify so the most likely conclusion is that they will say something damaging (get out of here with "he's just trolling the libs"). Shouldn't we, in an ideal world, turn over every rock if there is even a 1% chance it will reveal that Trump has done something seriously wrong?
Unrelated, here's an awesome quote from a video game: "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostWe know Trump doesn't want them to testify so the most likely conclusion is that they will say something damaging (get out of here with "he's just trolling the libs").Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostMy question for Trump defenders is this: Putting politics aside for a moment don't you want to know what these witnesses and documents say? Aren't you *curious*? We know Trump doesn't want them to testify so the most likely conclusion is that they will say something damaging (get out of here with "he's just trolling the libs"). Shouldn't we, in an ideal world, turn over every rock if there is even a 1% chance it will reveal that Trump has done something seriously wrong?
Unrelated, here's an awesome quote from a video game: "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.""The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostWe have laws in place for a reason. Democrats need to follow the rules laid out, if they can follow the rules and get proper court approval, I have no problem listening.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo you agree that Moscow Mitch should allow those previously obstructed witnesses and documents be admissable at trial?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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