Take This Impeachment And Shove It...

[Tassman]

In reality they provided hearsay evidence that among a certain group there was unsubstantiated gossip that there was quid pro quo.

[Starlight]

Sanders and Warren are basically the same on the issues anyway

On some issues yes. Overall Bernie is just more consistently leftist / progressive than Warren. I would point to healthcare, and foreign policy as the two biggest differences. Sanders is committed to Medicare-for-all, Warren's not. Sanders is a dove on foreign policy and military funding, Warren is a hawk or close to it.

I think Obama, who knows Warren well, and like myself, thinks it's time to put an intelligent woman in the White House.

I am more skeptical of Obama's motives. I think he feels his signature accomplishment was Obamacare, and he doesn't want to see Sanders undo that. Sanders replacing Obamacare with something better would prove to America that Obama could have delivered them something better than Obamacare when he had a Dem supermajority and thus demonstrate Obama to have been a failure as a president.

[Starlight]

If you thought in more than one dimension, you would realise that they also hate genuine right-wing thought,

The right wing doesn't have thought. I mean that seriously in the dual sense that there are no serious policy debates among those on the right compared to the way there are on the left, and also that right-wingers are just idiots who couldn't reason their way out of a paper bag if all their IQs were combined.

which is why they hate Trump

Trump is your example of "genuine right-wing thought"? I guess my statement above stands proven. The man regularly cannot get to the end of a sentence without going on a dementia-ramble. Though I guess that does accurately summarize what passes for "genuine right-wing thought" in the US and on this board.

[demi-conservative]

The right wing doesn't have thought. I mean that seriously in the dual sense that there are no serious policy debates among those on the right compared to the way there are on the left, and also that right-wingers are just idiots who couldn't reason their way out of a paper bag if all their IQs were combined.

The right wing don't need many major policy debates because the basic values positions are clear and don't change. On the other hand, progressives have a constant need to debate how to ''''''''progress'''''''', which usually means going headlong towards destruction.

Trump is your example of "genuine right-wing thought"? I guess my statement above stands proven.

Trump while being a relative centrist, is a sign that things could move rightward. As we have seen, this makes progressives panic, 'Roe might be overturned!!!!', "Trump is trying to ban transsexuals from the military!!!!', 'he's stopping immigration!!!!!!!!!!', etc.

[JimL]

On some issues yes. Overall Bernie is just more consistently leftist / progressive than Warren. I would point to healthcare, and foreign policy as the two biggest differences. Sanders is committed to Medicare-for-all, Warren's not. Sanders is a dove on foreign policy and military funding, Warren is a hawk or close to it.

I respectfully disagree with that Star. Both Sanders and Warren are for medicare for all, they just have different ways of getting there. Sanders wants to go all in first day in office and Warren wants medicare for all who want in and then phase it in over 3 years. There are a lot of people who are unsure if thats the best way to go. I think her plan is to have a public option and once people see the benifit they will come along and private insurance would phase out. The ultimate goal, medicare for all, is the same though, and that goes for most all democrats. I like both candidates, but I just think Warrens plan, let people choose, is more likely to work. I think we have to keep the private insurance employees in mind as well and phasing it out over 3 years or so would be better for them as well.

I am more skeptical of Obama's motives. I think he feels his signature accomplishment was Obamacare, and he doesn't want to see Sanders undo that. Sanders replacing Obamacare with something better would prove to America that Obama could have delivered them something better than Obamacare when he had a Dem supermajority and thus demonstrate Obama to have been a failure as a president.

That's a bit cynical I think Star. The Obama plan was simply a transition, the best they could do at the time, and even that was vigorously opposed by republicans and barely passed. I don't think Obama has any problem with taking his plan and going further, it's all about getting there, and how to best do it. I think he believes Warrens plan is the best way to get it done.

Also, I'm not sure where you get the idea that Warren is a hawk. Could you elaborate?

[Mountain Man]

The right wing don't need many major policy debates because the basic values positions are clear and don't change. On the other hand, progressives have a constant need to debate how to ''''''''progress'''''''', which usually means going headlong towards destruction.



Trump while being a relative centrist, is a sign that things could move rightward. As we have seen, this makes progressives panic, 'Roe might be overturned!!!!', "Trump is trying to ban transsexuals from the military!!!!', 'he's stopping immigration!!!!!!!!!!', etc.

Liberals don't give a crap about Trump's personality, it's his political policies that give them heartburn. If Trump was promoting the Democrat agenda instead, liberals would love him.

[JimL]

Liberals don't give a crap about Trump's personality, it's his political policies that give them heartburn. If Trump was promoting the Democrat agenda instead, liberals would love him.

That's what we call projecting, MM. And it's not his personality, it's his immorality and corruption that we object to, which feed his political policies which we also object to.

[Cow Poke]

Liberals don't give a crap about Trump's personality, it's his political policies that give them heartburn. If Trump was promoting the Democrat agenda instead, liberals would love him.

Hmmm, I guess you don't hear a lot of liberals complaining about Joy Behar, Whoopie, Michael Moore, etc.... They can be really donkey's butts, but they have the "right" message.

[DivineOb]

Liberals don't give a crap about Trump's personality, it's his political policies that give them heartburn. If Trump was promoting the Democrat agenda instead, liberals would love him.

I don't like people who brag about sexually assaulting women. I don't like people who gratuitously insult children. I don't like people who golf constantly instead of doing their job.

That's three personality traits I would dislike in *anyone*.

[Sam]

Hmmm, I guess you don't hear a lot of liberals complaining about Joy Behar, Whoopie, Michael Moore, etc.... They can be really donkey's butts, but they have the "right" message.

It's a weird* thing that folks do, trying to elevate Trump to the role of president while demanding that his behaviors and actions be judged against people** who have never served in, or even sought, public office. Suddenly, when it comes to Trump, there's no higher standard for public servants.


--Sam


*By "weird", I mean "transparent"

**Trump fails even that standard and is a member of a set of people whose behavior has disqualified them from public office.

[Cow Poke]

It's a weird* thing that folks do, trying to elevate Trump to the role of president while demanding that his behaviors and actions be judged against people** who have never served in, or even sought, public office. Suddenly, when it comes to Trump, there's no higher standard for public servants.


--Sam


*By "weird", I mean "transparent"

**Trump fails even that standard and is a member of a set of people whose behavior has disqualified them from public office.

Well, gee, Sam, there aren't just a whole bunch of living liberals who have been president.

Try another cup of coffee before posting.

[Mountain Man]

Hmmm, I guess you don't hear a lot of liberals complaining about Joy Behar, Whoopie, Michael Moore, etc.... They can be really donkey's butts, but they have the "right" message.

Heck, they didn't complain about Bill Clinton carrying out his infidelity while sitting in the Oval Office, insisting that it was "just sex" and that his private affairs were off limits to criticism.

[Cow Poke]

Heck, they didn't complain about Bill Clinton taking advantage of women in the Oval Office, insisting that it was "just sex" and that his private affairs were off limits to criticism.

Hmmm, I guess you don't hear a lot of liberals complaining about Joy Behar, Whoopie, Michael Moore, etc.... They can be really donkey's butts, but they have the "right" message.

That's where I was going next...

[rogue06]

Heck, they didn't complain about Bill Clinton carrying out his infidelity while sitting in the Oval Office, insisting that it was "just sex" and that his private affairs were off limits to criticism.

One member of the MSM even loudly proclaimed that she would gladly perform oral sex on him because he was their champion.

[lilpixieofterror]

Well, like Sparko, you wouldn't know one when you see one.

Like I said, so says the Clinton supporter.