Take This Impeachment And Shove It...

[Cow Poke]

If you paid attention to what House Democrats have said regarding impeachment...

Including the part where they said it needed to be bipartisan and overwhelmingly supported by the American people, and....

Sam, you shouldn't pay attention to what the Democrats have said - you pay attention to what they do.

[Cow Poke]

After straining gnats for months trying to find anything they could charge him with, you think they had "perjury" and just didn't bother to use it?

That's why using the example of "grand jury" in this case is a farce ---- you NEVER go to grand jury without a specific charge, and you NEVER rely on a grand jury to invent one.

[Sam]

That's why using the example of "grand jury" in this case is a farce ---- you NEVER go to grand jury without a specific charge, and you NEVER rely on a grand jury to invent one.

As stated before, the Judiciary Committee went to the "grand jury" with specific charges against the President.

And the reason you don't go to a traditional grand jury without charges is because it's a criminal proceeding, which impeachment is not.

--Sam

[Cow Poke]

As stated before, the Judiciary Committee went to the "grand jury" with specific charges against the President.

Actually, they went to the focus groups and came up with vague charges.

And the reason you don't go to a traditional grand jury without charges is because it's a criminal proceeding, which impeachment is not.

--Sam

EGGzackly --- so a "grand jury" is not the best analogy. As I have stated repeatedly, impeachment is its own animal.

[Sam]

Actually, they went to the focus groups and came up with vague charges.



EGGzackly --- so a "grand jury" is not the best analogy. As I have stated repeatedly, impeachment is its own animal.

I'm not sure y'all listen to yourselves anymore but "House Democrats focused-grouped their accusations of bribery" and "Bribery wasn't even included in the articles of impeachment!" are difficult claims to reconcile but outright impossible to fit together as a single line of attack.

And if the principal distinction between impeachment and a criminal grand jury hearing is merely that one necessitates a violation of criminal code and the other does not, the analogy fits just about as closely as an analogy can without being identical (and, therefore, no longer an analogy).

--Sam

[lilpixieofterror]

If Bernie Madoff was running a ponzi scheme, how did he go for decades without being charged?

If Jerry Epstein was running a human trafficking outfit of underage girls, how did he go for decades without being charged?

If Trump's taxes are on the up and up, why is there reportedly a whistleblower complaint about improper interference in the IRS audit process of his returns?

I'd say there's something smart and necessary in Warren making her platform prioritized around anti-corruption among the rich and well-to-do.

--Sam

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[Mountain Man]

And what National emergency happened to get Clinton impeached? If Trump lied, under oath, and you can prove it, it seems it could be done again. Got another excuse Sam? Democrats made up a crime and ignored a real one, why or was this perjury case yet another made up crime?

It's a baffling line of argument to suggest that there is evidence of Trump committing real, impeachable offenses, and yet the Democrats chose to impeach for two non-crimes without a lick of evidence behind them.

[lilpixieofterror]

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[lilpixieofterror]

It's a baffling line of argument to suggest that there is evidence of Trump committing real, impeachable offenses, and yet the Democrats chose to impeach for two non-crimes without a lick of evidence behind them.

[Sam]

If "Trump had illicit and probably criminal connections to money-laundering, specifically through Russia-connected mobsters" was not already publicly reported in some detail throughout the decades prior to 2015, I might be more inclined to dive deeper into it.

But we both know the effort would be in vain. We're both perfectly aware that some moneyed people go for years or decades doing very bad things without getting charged. Cosby and Ailes are another two that come to mind.

Congress has been, for the better part of a year now, investigating Trump's alleged tax evasion and ... discrepancies. The Trump administration and DOJ have been obstructing what Congress, by law, has clear power to obtain.

Once again, I was able to access the NYT article through an alt profile that doesn't have my subscriber login. Not sure if you're burned through your 5 articles per month but most folks should be able to read the link without triggering the paywall.

--Sam

[lilpixieofterror]

If "Trump had illicit and probably criminal connections to money-laundering, specifically through Russia-connected mobsters" was not already publicly reported in some detail throughout the decades prior to 2015, I might be more inclined to dive deeper into it.

But we both know the effort would be in vain. We're both perfectly aware that some moneyed people go for years or decades doing very bad things without getting charged. Cosby and Ailes are another two that come to mind.

Congress has been, for the better part of a year now, investigating Trump's alleged tax evasion and ... discrepancies. The Trump administration and DOJ have been obstructing what Congress, by law, has clear power to obtain.

Once again, I was able to access the NYT article through an alt profile that doesn't have my subscriber login. Not sure if you're burned through your 5 articles per month but most folks should be able to read the link without triggering the paywall.

--Sam

[Cow Poke]

I'm not sure y'all listen to yourselves anymore...

Sam, reality check.... if the Democrats actually had anything, they blew it bigtime by rushing an incredibly partisan sham impeachment.

They screwed up so badly that they...
A) LOST support from the American public
2) LOST a few Democrats along the way
C) Realized they screwed up so badly that they can't even present their "work product" to the Senate
D) They're raising YUGE money for Trump
5) They've pretty much guaranteed his relection.

Try gloating on that for a bit while you relentlessly re-litigate the impeachment.

[lilpixieofterror]

Sam, reality check.... if the Democrats actually had anything, they blew it bigtime by rushing an incredibly partisan sham impeachment.

They screwed up so badly that they...
A) LOST support from the American public
2) LOST a few Democrats along the way
C) Realized they screwed up so badly that they can't even present their "work product" to the Senate
D) They're raising YUGE money for Trump
5) They've pretty much guaranteed his relection.

Try gloating on that for a bit while you relentlessly re-litigate the impeachment.

[Cow Poke]

All I can say is --- keep it up, Dems! You're KILLIN it!