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Originally posted by myth View PostI investigate suicides and homicides for a living. This doesn't necessarily mean what you're implying it does.
"Hyoid fracture following strangulation or hanging is well
documented [10,11]. In a suspected case of murder, a fractured hyoid
is indicative of strangulation, albeit this is not taken into consideration
when the victim is a child or an adolescent, where the hyoid components
are still pliable as ossification is not perfectly completed [10]"
and
"They are the result of direct trauma or hyperextension of the neck. Several
causing factors have been reported. These include motor vehicle
accidents, gunshot wounds, induced vomiting, injuries from helmet
straps, choke holds and trauma during athletic activities such as martial
arts or basketball [6,8,9,14-20]."
https://www.longdom.org/open-access/...8.1000e128.pdf
And...study wherein 15% of hanging victims have hyoid bone fractures: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20973326
I'd be very interested in other things. Type of ligature, impressions and angle of impressions on neck, knot location and type, where the ligature was anchored, anchor impressions created by the ligature...and if you wanna get really nutty: touch DNA on the ligature. And all that ignores that there's probably security camera footage allowing them to track and time the appearance of anyone entering the area of his cell. Plus most modern prisons have elecontric locks, so there's likely a digital log of the door openings that are date and time stamped. Gotta look at the whole picture, bro.
I think it's most likely that he did commit suicide, and that one of the most plausible explanations of how he was allowed to can be chalked up to under-staffing/incompetence.
At the same time his death does raise a number of issues and it is amusing (in a dark way) watching the MSM vacillate between wanting to mock anyone on the right who sees a conspiracy, and there being enough questions to raise their own conspiracies.Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
"...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
-Ben Witherington III
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostShouldn't an autopsy be able to determine how the bones were broken, whether they were crushed through strangulation, or suddenly snapped? Or is that only on TV shows?
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostI've seen the media go ape about things that I personally know they don't really know as facts or even what they're looking at. At worst, they twist facts or antagonize the situation. At best, the media will only state that it LOOKS LIKE something happened or is may be the case or...whuddever. Their goal is VIEWERSHIP OR READERSHIP....everything else is secondary.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLike the Russian Collusion Delusion?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostI'm trying not to read anything into it.
At the same time his death does raise a number of issues and it is amusing (in a dark way) watching the MSM vacillate between wanting to mock anyone on the right who sees a conspiracy, and there being enough questions to raise their own conspiracies."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAn autopsy on a hanging is normally a straightforward procedure.
But the forensic experts are hesitating. The autopsy on Jeffrey Epstein has raised questions after reportedly showing he sustained multiple breaks in his neck bones including the hyoid bone. The experts are saying this is more common in homicidal strangulation, rather than a death by hanging.
A) are there really aleins
2) who really killed Kennedy
C) how did Epstein really dieThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think we need to distinguish between not buying the official line and confidently stating exactly who did it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLike the Russian Collusion Delusion?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostI've seen the media go ape about things that I personally know they don't really know as facts or even what they're looking at. At worst, they twist facts or antagonize the situation. At best, the media will only state that it LOOKS LIKE something happened or is may be the case or...whuddever. Their goal is VIEWERSHIP OR READERSHIP....everything else is secondary.
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostI'm trying not to read anything into it.
I think it's most likely that he did commit suicide, and that one of the most plausible explanations of how he was allowed to can be chalked up to under-staffing/incompetence.
At the same time his death does raise a number of issues and it is amusing (in a dark way) watching the MSM vacillate between wanting to mock anyone on the right who sees a conspiracy, and there being enough questions to raise their own conspiracies.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIhe news media tends to have a very myopic view of these things in order to stir up controversy and sell papers (as it were).Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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We are full square back into the days of yellow journalism.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Adrift View Post... in order to stir up controversy and sell papers (as it were)....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by myth View PostI investigate suicides and homicides for a living. This doesn't necessarily mean what you're implying it does.
"Hyoid fracture following strangulation or hanging is well
documented [10,11]. In a suspected case of murder, a fractured hyoid
is indicative of strangulation, albeit this is not taken into consideration
when the victim is a child or an adolescent, where the hyoid components
are still pliable as ossification is not perfectly completed [10]"
and
"They are the result of direct trauma or hyperextension of the neck. Several
causing factors have been reported. These include motor vehicle
accidents, gunshot wounds, induced vomiting, injuries from helmet
straps, choke holds and trauma during athletic activities such as martial
arts or basketball [6,8,9,14-20]."
https://www.longdom.org/open-access/...8.1000e128.pdf
And...study wherein 15% of hanging victims have hyoid bone fractures: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20973326
I'd be very interested in other things. Type of ligature, impressions and angle of impressions on neck, knot location and type, where the ligature was anchored, anchor impressions created by the ligature...and if you wanna get really nutty: touch DNA on the ligature. And all that ignores that there's probably security camera footage allowing them to track and time the appearance of anyone entering the area of his cell. Plus most modern prisons have elecontric locks, so there's likely a digital log of the door openings that are date and time stamped. Gotta look at the whole picture, bro.
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