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Originally posted by Adrift View PostHow big do you think a military base is? Even on very large bases like Ramstein, we had more than enough Security Forces, and other armed personal patrolling the gates and streets that a gunman in his right mind would have thought twice before open-firing. And I'm not just talking about carrying an M9 either. I carried, at the very least, a loaded M-16 with me at almost all times while in uniform. And again, armories are typically close by. You can arm a couple dozen people in no time flat. That's sort of the point of a military base. The fact that one of the worst shootings ever happened on a military base should tell people that soft targets aren't that big of a concern for a nut. I feel like I'm in bizarro land seeing people attempt to argue to the contrary having actually served, and knowing exactly what to expect on a military base.
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I think Hood is probably an exception - but I also know that the lack of nearby armed personnel was considered to be a factor in the findings.
The bases I've been on most (Gunter and Maxwell - Gunter used to be a base) had few visibly armed personnel back in the day - but that was before 9/11 and Hood came after."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd, of course, we have the whole issue of causality. Do mass shootings happen in gun-free zones because they are gun-free? Or do they happen in "gun-free zones" because these zones are typically declared where large numbers of people gather and someone looking to kill large numbers of people is going to go where large numbers of people gather.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostWe haven't tried my idea yet, which is banning all guns except for police and military, but that's unlikely to happen in a nation so devoted to weapons."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostRedstone and Kirkland are both freaking huge... Kirkland more so.
I think Hood is probably an exception - but I also know that the lack of nearby armed personnel was considered to be a factor in the findings.
The bases I've been on most (Gunter and Maxwell - Gunter used to be a base) had few visibly armed personnel back in the day - but that was before 9/11 and Hood came after.
Technically a police officer could open fire in the station's break room, and kill a half dozen or more fellow cops before someone runs to grab a gun. If we can't reasonably expect places that have tons of quickly accessible weapons to be much safer than places like Walmart then I don't think arming everyone to the teeth will necessarily make much of a difference.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI think they target churches and schools because that's where a lot of people are. I don't think it has much to do with whether or not the people there are armed. Heck, one of the worst mass shootings was on a military base (Ft. Hood).
We haven't tried my idea yet, which is banning all guns except for police and military, but that's unlikely to happen in a nation so devoted to weapons.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo, if I really cared about the victims I would be using their deaths as a means to try to shame and blame you and the other liberals in a game of political war, like you are?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostEGGzackly!
Just like - if you REALLY care about poor people, you'll arrange to keep them "on the plantation" with meager financial assistance with no real plan to help them get out of their situation. THAT, sir, is true commie compassion!
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYes, I realize that.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, the above is just your excuse for treating human beings like dogs.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, the above is just your excuse for treating human beings like dogs.
You seem to be the type to hope for more mass shootings so you have more ammunition to use to get your way politically.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postbetter to treat them like weapons to bludgeon your political opponents with huh?
You seem to be the type to hope for more mass shootings so you have more ammunition to use to get your way politically.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostStop speaking in broken English, and The Washington Post is wrong. As a member of Security Forces, I was armed at all times while (in uniform) on the military base, and armories are typically not very far away.
Edited: oh and when highly classified projects were at the depot there certainly were Marines with sidearms on duty.Last edited by DesertBerean; 08-09-2019, 03:13 PM.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostAs I pointed out, Ramstein appears to be the second largest. So, I've got some experience on large bases.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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