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Originally posted by Adrift View PostTo be clear, my argument isn't that we should stop focusing on causes of violence in order to remove guns. I think it's possible to do both."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostNah. You don't really have to go that far. Plenty of 1st world nations have banned guns, and while, yeah, you can get them if you have enough money and connections, it's relatively difficult."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Again, to be clear, I know that a gun ban in America is impossible. Americans have a religious (in my opinion, idolatrous) connection to their guns. However, I still believe it's possible for the government to do two things at once. To both reduce violent crime and regulate guns. MANY other 1st world nations do it already.
This reply doesn't seem to actually engage with the point you quoted, and is merely repeating what you say above, but maybe that's my fault since it wasn't clear to me what your original quote was saying.
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Here's where I stand on the issue:
There is no evidence that banning guns has an overall positive effect on violent crime. In many cases, we see the opposite to one degree or another -- usually with a huge spike immediately following the ban that takes many, many years to return to pre-ban levels. And then it leads to nonsense like this:
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostAgain, to be clear, I know that a gun ban in America is impossible. Americans have a religious (in my opinion, idolatrous) connection to their guns. However, I still believe it's possible for the government to do two things at once. To both reduce violent crime and regulate guns. MANY other 1st world nations do it already."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYes, but they don't appear nearly as homicidal, likely because guns are heavily restricted and are hard to come by."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostMexico and Brazil aren't first world nations. It's reasonable to expect more violent activity in nations where law enforcement is heavily corrupt, and underpaid."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI acknowledge that, of course. They're not nearly as strict as most 1st world nations."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Roy View Postblah blah blah..."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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