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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYup. You'll be hearing about a machine shop or some garage-based operation getting busted like you used to here about stills being raided.
Furthermore, most people who are pro-gun are also against the sale of hard drugs, and yet we could all just throw our hands up in the air and say "it doesn't work, just legalize them all," and yet, few outside of the far left would actually desire that. Sometimes we make the effort even if it seems insurmountable.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostFurthermore, most people who are pro-gun are also against the sale of hard drugs, and yet we could all just throw our hands up in the air and say "it doesn't work, just legalize them all," and yet, few outside of the far left would actually desire that. Sometimes we make the effort even if it seems insurmountable.
Also, it depends on whether we refer to decriminalization or legalization. At one point, China in the late 19th century, ravaged by the opium epidemic, executed dealers but would not prosecute users. More and more, I see merit in this approach."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI mean, again, we cross that bridge when we get to it. Make blueprints illegal. Bust down machine shops, etc.
But I seriously doubt they could ever make guns illegal in the USA. Too ingrained in our society.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIs this still the case? Admittedly my online bubble skews heavily conservative/libertarian based largely on hanging out here, but I've seen quite a bit of support for legalization of all drugs, accepting this logic in its full.
Also, it depends on whether we refer to decriminalization or legalization. At one point, China in the late 19th century, ravaged by the opium epidemic, executed dealers but would not prosecute users. More and more, I see merit in this approach.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWe done crossed the bridge and got the T-shirt. It is just a matter of time to bring the cost down.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut I seriously doubt they could ever make guns illegal in the USA. Too ingrained in our society.
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Originally posted by Adrift View Post"I say we cross that bridge when it becomes a real threat." The idea that we should throw our hands up in the air because of future possibilities seems a little silly to me. I always think it's strange that the same people (not necessarily people here, but people in general) who are against a total ban of guns because "people will find a way" tend not to have the same view about laws restricting/banning hard drugs."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Like I said that doesn't mean we shouldn't make the attempt. "Sometimes we make the effort even if it seems insurmountable." I mean, I suppose the argument is moot for you anyways, since you don't want guns to be banned, even if they could be. I want guns to be banned, and I think it's worth the attempt.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostUntil Jesus returns, humans will never be able to regulate violence away.
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It seems backwards that all the momentum to ban guns results from high profile events. I totally get the emotional reaction to somebody shooting up a kindergarten classroom. These are the sociopaths who are likely to figure out a way no matter what. Maybe we should focus on the acts of violence that actually make up the bulk of the crime statistics as opposed to mass shooters, which are still relatively rare despite the narrative (domestic violence and gang violence, etc.)."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI mean, not really. Gangbangers aren't printing up guns. School shooters aren't printing up guns. When actual villains start printing guns I'll take the issue seriously. That someone has done it doesn't mean it's a real issue just yet.
Agreed unfortunately.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI mean, not really. Gangbangers aren't printing up guns. School shooters aren't printing up guns. When actual villains start printing guns I'll take the issue seriously. That someone has done it doesn't mean it's a real issue just yet."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostLike I said that doesn't mean we shouldn't make the attempt. "Sometimes we make the effort even if it seems insurmountable." I mean, I suppose the argument is moot for you anyways, since you don't want guns to be banned, even if they could be. I want guns to be banned, and I think it's worth the attempt.True, but then, why enforce law at all?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postthere is no need for it right now because they can get guns faster and cheaper in other ways.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostWe were talking if they ever had a full out ban on guns. If that happened the technology is already here. Plus what rogue said. And once that happens the black market would once again be flooded with guns.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostTo me, fortunately. I believe people should have the right to defend their lives and the lives of their loved ones. And guns are a good way to do that. They are also useful tools for hunting. Not everyone lives in a city. And they are good for sport. Shooting guns is fun.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostExactly!
Again, I don't know about you, but in my hypothetical universe where guns in the US are banned, acquiring a gun that's been 3D printed would be substantially harder to acquire than a gun you can go to Walmart and buy. Again, it's an issue that can be crossed once we get to it. Whether it means allotting government resources to busting up gun suppliers or whathaveyou, the point is that you make guns harder to obtain, even it's not possible to completely remove them.
I think the argument that we need guns to defend our lives from people with guns just ends in a bizarre feedback loop. "I need a gun, because he's got a gun, he's got a gun, because I need a gun, I need a gun because he's got a gun..." Also, I realize shooting is fun. I was in the military and shot my fair share, and my brother hunts, and I've shot his guns a few times on his property. I still think the risk outweighs the fun aspect.
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