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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't think you can say that owning more guns CAUSED the reduction in gun related crime but you can say that owning more guns doesn't increase gun related crimes (which seems to be the whole point of gun bans.)
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Originally posted by Zara View PostI'm not really interested in changing your mind tbh, the US is whatever it wants to be, go for it - enjoy your high levels of crime.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThis is a interesting point seeing as violent crime (especially homicide) within 1st world nations in general apparently went down in the same period starting around the early 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop
So the drop in crime in the US is unlikely to be correlated with an increase in guns purchases (and it should be noted that while many of those guns were purchased by first time owners, a significant number were purchased by previous owners scared of the threat of stricter restrictions).
But it goes a very long way in refuting the notion that having more guns in circulation will lead to more gun-related violence since the evidence shows that this is definitely not the case.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostTrue, but as you likely know, my perspective on the issue is that as long as you have guns in the country at all, you're going to have crime committed by guns, which is why I'm fine with a complete ban.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostHey! Not all of us enjoy it. I say get rid of them already. But that won't happen in my lifetime. Americans have an almost spiritual connection to guns."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNever said it did.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBut it goes a very long way in refuting the notion that having more guns in circulation will lead to more gun-related violence since the evidence shows that this is definitely not the case.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostCriminals won't turn in their guns. And there are so many guns in the USA that even if they repealed the 2nd amendment and outlawed guns, and even stopped the manufacture of guns, they would not ever get rid of them. And in this age of 3D printing, anyone can make their own gun. And making bullets is just as easy.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI think given enough time guns will either break or become so hard to obtain that criminals will be forced to look for less deadly alternatives. If it takes 100/200 years to finally clean up the gun issue, I think it'd be worth it, but I think we'd see results on a national level sooner than that. Also, as we've discussed previously, criminals are unlikely to obtain 3D printers, the printers themselves and the material to print with are relatively expensive, and it's not like you can build very rugged guns with them anyways (perhaps in the future, but we're limited to plastic guns currently that don't hold up too well after a few shots). If it comes to a future where we have to seriously worry about 3D guns, I say we cross that bridge when it becomes a real threat. As it is, normal guns are way way too easy to obtain."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI think given enough time guns will either break or become so hard to obtain that criminals will be forced to look for less deadly alternatives. If it takes 100/200 years to finally clean up the gun issue, I think it'd be worth it, but I think we'd see results on a national level sooner than that. Also, as we've discussed previously, criminals are unlikely to obtain 3D printers, the printers themselves and the material to print with are relatively expensive, and it's not like you can build very rugged guns with them anyways (perhaps in the future, but we're limited to plastic guns currently that don't hold up too well after a few shots). If it comes to a future where we have to seriously worry about 3D guns, I say we cross that bridge when it becomes a real threat. As it is, normal guns are way way too easy to obtain.
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/texas-f...nted-metal-gun
And sure, right now it would be prohibitively expensive to print them, but costs come down and technology gets cheaper and easier to obtain. And not every crook would need one. Just the supplier. Or heck the supplier could just have a machine shop and make guns the old fashioned way all day long. If guns are outlawed, it becomes cost effective as the price of black market guns goes up.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI think given enough time guns will either break or become so hard to obtain that criminals will be forced to look for less deadly alternatives. If it takes 100/200 years to finally clean up the gun issue, I think it'd be worth it, but I think we'd see results on a national level sooner than that. Also, as we've discussed previously, criminals are unlikely to obtain 3D printers, the printers themselves and the material to print with are relatively expensive, and it's not like you can build very rugged guns with them anyways (perhaps in the future, but we're limited to plastic guns currently that don't hold up too well after a few shots). If it comes to a future where we have to seriously worry about 3D guns, I say we cross that bridge when it becomes a real threat. As it is, normal guns are way way too easy to obtain.
And a gun will last a good long time if properly looked after. My Browning 9mm High Powers date from the 1930s and still function flawlessly.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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"I say we cross that bridge when it becomes a real threat." The idea that we should throw our hands up in the air because of future possibilities seems a little silly to me. I always think it's strange that the same people (not necessarily people here, but people in general) who are against a total ban of guns because "people will find a way" tend not to have the same view about laws restricting/banning hard drugs.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBack in 2013 Solid Metal Concepts printed a metal 1911 semi-auto pistol. So the technology is already here.
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/texas-f...nted-metal-gun
And sure, right now it would be prohibitively expensive to print them, but costs come down and technology gets cheaper and easier to obtain. And not every crook would need one. Just the supplier. Or heck the supplier could just have a machine shop and make guns the old fashioned way all day long. If guns are outlawed, it becomes cost effective as the price of black market guns goes up.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd yet once again I'll point out that using simple primitive techniques like the Lost Wax Casting method virtually anyone with access to a secluded area can manufacture respectable copies of even fully automatic firearms -- like Afghan tribesmen have been doing in mountain villages for generations.
And a gun will last a good long time if properly looked after. My Browning 9mm High Powers date from the 1930s and still function flawlessly.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBack in 2013 Solid Metal Concepts printed a metal 1911 semi-auto pistol. So the technology is already here.
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/texas-f...nted-metal-gun
And sure, right now it would be prohibitively expensive to print them, but costs come down and technology gets cheaper and easier to obtain. And not every crook would need one. Just the supplier. Or heck the supplier could just have a machine shop and make guns the old fashioned way all day long. If guns are outlawed, it becomes cost effective as the price of black market guns goes up.
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