Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand's Gun Control Scheme

[rogue06]

I thought it was more or less common knowledge that the crack epidemic was at its height in the 80s.

Today it's opioids and meth. Just as bad if not worse.







Side note: have you heard about folks getting a meth-like high from ingesting Wasp spray? The idiots on one of the local news programs even explained how to do it although I'm certain that information is available on the interwebz.

[Zara]

Where are you getting that from? Any sources? Because crack is still a big problem and really has nothing to do with guns any more than any other drugs. And again, that would be criminals who are using the guns they probably bought illegally. Which they would do even if you outlawed guns. Do you think outlaws will just stop using guns if they are outlawed?

Gun crime by criminals is almost non-existent in New Zealand. Violent crime is low. Same in Germany. So yes, regulating guns reduces gun crime - even among criminals. This is just common sense.

The cause of the reduction in gun crime in the US could be attributed to factors not relevant to 'more guns'. Was it the crack epidemic, who knows, it's just as speculative as your association.

[Sparko]

Gun crime by criminals is almost non-existent in New Zealand. Violent crime is low. Same in Germany. So yes, regulating guns reduces gun crime - even among criminals. This is just common sense.

The cause of the reduction in gun crime in the US could be attributed to factors not relevant to 'more guns'. Was it the crack epidemic, who knows, it's just as speculative as your association.

So in other words you just make up stuff and present it as fact? I guess we can just ignore anything you say from now on unless you provide a source. Good to know.

[Adrift]

Today it's opioids and meth. Just as bad if not worse.

Hitting a slightly different demographic though, isn't it?

Side note: have you heard about folks getting a meth-like high from ingesting Wasp spray? The idiots on one of the local news programs even explained how to do it although I'm certain that information is available on the interwebz.

No I hadn't. I've done meth once (back in my crazy drug experimentation phase). I get why it's addictive, but I'd never huff wasp spray. People be crazy yo.

[lilpixieofterror]

Gun crime by criminals is almost non-existent in New Zealand. Violent crime is low. Same in Germany. So yes, regulating guns reduces gun crime - even among criminals. This is just common sense.

The cause of the reduction in gun crime in the US could be attributed to factors not relevant to 'more guns'. Was it the crack epidemic, who knows, it's just as speculative as your association.

[Sparko]

I think the only valid comparison would be homicides by legal gun owners, since even if you heavily regulated or outlawed guns, criminals would still have them. And you shouldn't count suicides which account for most gun deaths.

studies have shown that 8 out of 10 gun crimes are committed by illegal gun owners.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.935ded1b0a28

And most homicides are committed by handguns, not AR-15 or "assault" rifles - and neither Australia or New Zealand are banning handguns.

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[Charles]

I think the only valid comparison would be homicides by legal gun owners, since even if you heavily regulated or outlawed guns, criminals would still have them. And you shouldn't count suicides which account for most gun deaths.

studies have shown that 8 out of 10 gun crimes are committed by illegal gun owners.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.935ded1b0a28

And most homicides are committed by handguns, not AR-15 or "assault" rifles - and neither Australia or New Zealand are banning handguns.

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https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._2009-2013.xls

From the article:

[Sparko]

From the article:

What's your point? I have a friend that owns probably 30 guns. He has never killed anyone or has any plans to.

[Adrift]

I think the only valid comparison would be homicides by legal gun owners, since even if you heavily regulated or outlawed guns, criminals would still have them. And you shouldn't count suicides which account for most gun deaths.

studies have shown that 8 out of 10 gun crimes are committed by illegal gun owners.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.935ded1b0a28

And most homicides are committed by handguns, not AR-15 or "assault" rifles - and neither Australia or New Zealand are banning handguns.

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https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._2009-2013.xls

Last time I looked into this, perpetrators who were carrying a firearm owned by someone else were acquiring said gun from a family member or friend who owned the gun legally, so kind of a loophole there.

[Charles]

What's your point? I have a friend that owns probably 30 guns. He has never killed anyone or has any plans to.

But others could steal his guns and kill with them.

[Sparko]

Last time I looked into this, perpetrators who were carrying a firearm owned by someone else were acquiring said gun from a family member or friend who owned the gun legally, so kind of a loophole there.

They were taking how they got the gun into account. from the article:

"They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession

[Adrift]

They were taking how they got the gun into account. from the article:

"They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession

Yeah, I get that it's illegal either way, but it's interesting that the majority (or at least a good portion) of illegally obtained weapons may have been acquired by friends/families/associates who owned them legally.

From this article for instance,

About 48 percent of state prison inmates surveyed said they got the gun they used from a family member, friend, gun store, pawn shop, flea market, or gun show. Most states only require a background check if the purchase happens at a gun store, according to the Giffords Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Forty percent of state prison inmates admitted they obtained the gun illegally on the black market, from a drug dealer, or by stealing it.

It's illegal to murder people no matter how the gun was acquired, so I suppose it's a bit of a wash.

[rogue06]

Yeah, I get that it's illegal either way, but it's interesting that the majority (or at least a good portion) of illegally obtained weapons may have been acquired by friends/families/associates who owned them legally.

People tend to steal from those they know just like overwhelmingly the majority of murder victims knew their killer.

[Sparko]

Yeah, I get that it's illegal either way, but it's interesting that the majority (or at least a good portion) of illegally obtained weapons may have been acquired by friends/families/associates who owned them legally.

From this article for instance,

[box]About 48 percent of state prison inmates surveyed said they got the gun they used from a family member, friend, gun store, pawn shop, flea market, or gun show. .

um that pretty much covers every method, legal and illegal.

[rogue06]

um that pretty much covers every method, legal and illegal.

Doesn't seem to cover burglary or black market