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Originally posted by Leonhard
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Yet Christian Conservatives, both in the US and in Denmark have done the same thing. Though they've used different words for it, but they've actively wanted television policed, as well as what sort of pictures can be shown in educational materials, what sort of things that can be discussed, tried to get art pieces removed from a museum, advocated for the return of blasphemy laws. And not just in the particular setting of a religious private school, but in public schools and in media outlets in general.
Same with blasphemous speech, like you and Cow Poke went off on a thick paragraph about. And here's there's a bit of an irresistable parallel to what you call the Politically Correct view. Because as far as I know there are no laws that prevent people from saying politically incorrect things, there's just them being shamed and criticized for it.
You have a point that people don't like that, and society will swing the other way. The Simpsons for instance was a response to that, showing a dysfunctional family, instead of the Brady Bunch, and people loved it because of that. Mostly I think because reality isn't so utterly sanitized as television had become at that point.
This is one of the better character assassinations of that website I've seen in a world.
But they are the bastion of free speech. If "free speech" is defined to be the ability to say anything you want, without personal repercussions because of what you said, then those places are some of the only places on the internet where you can do that. You can say anything there. And anything that can't be said there, like organized targeted harassment and bullying campaigns, can be said on 8chan or Kiwi Farms, or whatever random BBS board is quickly put up to provide a place to organize those events in.
If free speech is defined solely that the government can't punish you for what you say. Then even then you don't have free speech. You can't use your free speech to advocate for violence against minorities, or terrorism. You're not legally allowed to slander a person in public. There are and will always be restraints on what can legally be said.
In Denmark radical Muslim groups have gotten in trouble for some of the prayers that called for the eradication of Jews, even though technically that could fall under religious freedom. Legal repercussions were had against them. The US has similar reasonable restrictions about how far you can push religious freedom as an excuse to say whatever you want. But that's not what Conservatives are complaining about. They're calling it an attack on free speech when a campus, or a college, or another private forum, doesn't allow a hyper right-wing radical a platform to spew racism like Richard Spencer.
Same with blasphemous speech, like you and Cow Poke went off on a thick paragraph about. And here's there's a bit of an irresistable parallel to what you call the Politically Correct view. Because as far as I know there are no laws that prevent people from saying politically incorrect things, there's just them being shamed and criticized for it.
You have a point that people don't like that, and society will swing the other way. The Simpsons for instance was a response to that, showing a dysfunctional family, instead of the Brady Bunch, and people loved it because of that. Mostly I think because reality isn't so utterly sanitized as television had become at that point.
This is one of the better character assassinations of that website I've seen in a world.
But they are the bastion of free speech. If "free speech" is defined to be the ability to say anything you want, without personal repercussions because of what you said, then those places are some of the only places on the internet where you can do that. You can say anything there. And anything that can't be said there, like organized targeted harassment and bullying campaigns, can be said on 8chan or Kiwi Farms, or whatever random BBS board is quickly put up to provide a place to organize those events in.
If free speech is defined solely that the government can't punish you for what you say. Then even then you don't have free speech. You can't use your free speech to advocate for violence against minorities, or terrorism. You're not legally allowed to slander a person in public. There are and will always be restraints on what can legally be said.
In Denmark radical Muslim groups have gotten in trouble for some of the prayers that called for the eradication of Jews, even though technically that could fall under religious freedom. Legal repercussions were had against them. The US has similar reasonable restrictions about how far you can push religious freedom as an excuse to say whatever you want. But that's not what Conservatives are complaining about. They're calling it an attack on free speech when a campus, or a college, or another private forum, doesn't allow a hyper right-wing radical a platform to spew racism like Richard Spencer.
"the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against."
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