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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostWould a cap and trade system be consistent with Conservative political philosophy? After all this is about global pollution. I think both sides have a good sense of property right, and that if the local coal power plant spills toxic sludge and ruins a river, they have to pay for the clean up and thereby go bankrupt.
However, how do you extend the notion of property rights to the entire planet?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostPro-nuclear is an EXTREMELY popular view on Reddit which leans left/far-left/radical-left. It's about the only semi-right view I've seen just about the entire website hold. The only other view the website holds that leans right is gun rights (though that has finally begun to soften a smidgen over the last couple years).
In fact, Reddit is SO pro-nuclear and left-leaning (outside of subreddits like r/The_Donald which has since been quarantined) that I've actually heard young Redditors suggest that anti-nuclear energy views must be Conservative. When you point out that the anti-nuclear energy thing was mostly a left-leaning, hippy-dippy, tree-huggin kinda thing, they simply have no response for it because it's outside of their historical framework, and something they're completely unfamiliar with. It's very strange.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe left's support of nuclear power is a complete 180 from 40 to 50 years ago
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Originally posted by seanD View PostNot with every one. A lot of conservatives argue the cost of trying to mitigate it (especially from an economic perspective) would have worse effects if nothing was done. The second negative cost would be trying to get government (which fails at most things) to solve it.
In any event, if one acknowledges global warming as a negative externality, there shouldn't be anything inherently non-conservative about cap and trade. This is why I think the more common tack is to simply deny the externality exists.Last edited by KingsGambit; 07-04-2019, 10:41 AM."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostMaybe the think tankers, but the average conservative on the street (at least the ones I know personally, as well as the one in the White House) seem to prefer the tack of "this winter was cold, therefore, global warming is false".
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostMaybe the think tankers, but the average conservative on the street (at least the ones I know personally, as well as the one in the White House) seem to prefer the tack of "this winter was cold, therefore, global warming is false".
In any event, if one acknowledges global warming as a negative externality, there shouldn't be anything inherently non-conservative about cap and trade. This is why I think the more common tack is to simply deny the externality exists.
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I suspect cap and trade would actually damage the climate. Only Western nations can afford to try it. The Third World is already industrializing at an increasing pace. If Western Nations hamstring themselves many Third World nations will gladly fill the gap, minus the protections that Western nations have in place."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThere are folks like that aplenty on the other side as well. Everytime the temperature is above average you'll hear someone intone on TV that it's global warming.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Another alternative that conservatives shouldn't have a problem with is simple - planting more trees, especially if done by conservation minded billionaires (Ted Turner?) who can afford all the land to do so. This article I just came across suggests forest restoration could go a long way.
Unfortunately, it might take quite a few trees to offset what Brazil's newly elected president is doing in the Amazon.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-.../#.XR6up497nIU"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostAnother alternative that conservatives shouldn't have a problem with is simple - planting more trees, especially if done by conservation minded billionaires (Ted Turner?) who can afford all the land to do so. This article I just came across suggests forest restoration could go a long way.
Unfortunately, it might take quite a few trees to offset what Brazil's newly elected president is doing in the Amazon.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-.../#.XR6up497nIU
It's been done in Africa and China is trying it now - both labor intensive failures. Land needs water, animals and grasses to become fertile again - people sticking trees in the ground and watering them until they die doesn't work.
So, if we're talking reclamation, I'm all for it. Another 'feel good tree planting' - skip!"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIt depends - another fiasco planting trees where the land can't sustain them isn't worth doing. The natural reclamation cycle is grass-shrub-tree and skipping the first two often fails.
It's been done in Africa and China is trying it now - both labor intensive failures. Land needs water, animals and grasses to become fertile again - people sticking trees in the ground and watering them until they die doesn't work.
So, if we're talking reclamation, I'm all for it. Another 'feel good tree planting' - skip!
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostSo what you saying is that the deforestation of brazil is more serious than most pro-envieonment groups recognize.
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In desert reclamations planting trees have failed a number of times. In woodlands, grasses come in, then shrub THEN trees - are rain forests different? That land doesn't retain fertility well so planting trees too soon may fail, too. Maybe we should find out before messing around."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostCan the only political response to Global Warming by Conservatives in the US be to deny it?
I'm all for good environmental stewardship, but most liberal plans are simply an attempt to open our borders, destroy the US economy, and give backwards nations the opportunity to raid our economic resources, and it won't do a thing to stop "climate change".Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo. I'm saying we don't need wastes of money that make people feel like we're doing something when in fact we're just making things worse.
In desert reclamations planting trees have failed a number of times. In woodlands, grasses come in, then shrub THEN trees - are rain forests different? That land doesn't retain fertility well so planting trees too soon may fail, too. Maybe we should find out before messing around.
Your example sounds more to me like it might be a cherry picked excuse used by whatever source you got it from for political means than reality given that the sort of successful planting and harvesting of trres that occurred on my parents land happens all the time.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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