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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
I guess you didn't bother to actually read the links? None of them support what you think they do, and the one about Buttigieg is actually about how BAD he handled the homeless.
The article about Buttigieg reviewed both what he DID and what he DIDN'T do. You seem to be focused only on the latter. Read the rest of the article.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd Warren's link was about paying reparations. Another idiotic liberal
Originally posted by Sparko View PostHow many apartment do you think are in an apartment building?
Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd again, an example is not evidence.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd again, an example is not evidence.
You see, an example CAN be evidence, depending on the claim. If someone says "There are no Dems who do X," then one example of a Dem doing X is adequate evidence to refute the claim. Or if the claim is "all Reps do X," then one example of a rep NOT doing X is adequate evidence to refute the claim. However, if the claim is "most Dems do X," then you are correct that one example is not adequate evidence to refute the claim. It is evidence, simply not sufficient to make the case.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou just used that line on me a day or two ago regarding the woman from Honduras.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou just need to amend it to "YOUR examples are not evidence, but mine are!"Last edited by carpedm9587; 07-31-2019, 01:19 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI said it took me 3 minutes to find them, Spark. Yes, I read them. They were all related to inner city issues.
The article about Buttigieg reviewed both what he DID and what he DIDN'T do. You seem to be focused only on the latter. Read the rest of the article.
Are you sure? Why don't you go back and read it again and, if you think you are correct, link the post please. I've been fairly careful about this, but it is possible I slipped.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think you have lost track of the conversation at this point. The democrats are too busy worrying about the border than their own backyards, as the Buttigieg article clearly points out. You said they can "do both" and yet they are NOT doing both.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostMy point is that even if they CAN do Both, why not concentrate on their own constituents FIRST instead of what they are doing, putting all their focus on people who are not even citezens?
Originally posted by Sparko View PostDo you have alzheimer's? http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post655169
Meanwhile, I thought you might be referring to that post. Read it carefully, Sparko. It doesn't say what you claim it says.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI have not lost track of the conversation, Sparko. And I also believe I have noted, multiple that they are not doing either. My point was not that they are - but that they CAN and there is n need to prioritize one over the other. That is a false dichotomy.
Because I do not prioritize need on the basis of citizenship. I prioritize need on the basis of the need. I would never suggest turning my back on someone who is in need because they are not a citizen and there are citizens that need help first.
Meanwhile, I thought you might be referring to that post. Read it carefully, Sparko. It doesn't say what you claim it says.
It makes your catch phrase even more stupidererer. Of course an example is an argument. Duh. That's exactly what it was used as.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell I do. When it comes to spending this country's resources I think they should go to it's own citizens who are suffering before going to people outside the country.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostReally? You changed "evidence" to "argument" and are going to claim it means something different?
Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt makes your catch phrase even more stupidererer. Of course an example is an argument. Duh. That's exactly what it was used as.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThen we disagree. As noted, I don't think addressing need is based on which club you belong to. I don't think that way for my country - and I don't think that way for my family. I have often asked my family to sacrifice because someone had a greater need. I imagine a world where everyone functions that way, and believe it would be a far better place to live....
That's extremely POOR stewardship.
Sparky isn't talking about minor sacrifices (or major, if you're a teenager addicted to GOT) like cable TV - or maybe just not buying as many niceties as you would have otherwise because you used the money to help another. THAT isn't what he's talking about at all.
50,000 is the estimated number of homeless in LA. The city's response is to routinely roust them from their campsites, not infrequently destroying all their remaining possessions in the process. The city counsel's response is to authorize new housing - a mere 10,000 units that will take several more years to build - and to erect fencing to prevent homeless from occupying vacant lots.
San Francisco has similar numbers - and they seem to have no response at all. They can't even keep up with the human waste in the streets. But they CAN offer sanctuary to illegal aliens while leaving citizens to fend for themselves in squalor - literally in down town San Francisco!
California wasted millions on a train they can't build. The city and state regulations are so Byzantine that it's nearly impossible to build the new homes needed - even adding to an existing home is tens of thousands of dollars in fees and unnecessary requirements. But they can provide medical care to illegal aliens?
Yeah, right. It'll look pretty on paper. Some will benefit and the rest will either move to where they can actually get work or live in squalor with their homeless American neighbors who were also unable to move to a better state."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou've had your family live in the street and go without food? You've had your family go without routine medical care? You've had your family doing without basic needs - so someone ELSE could have them?
That's extremely POOR stewardship.
Sparky isn't talking about minor sacrifices (or major, if you're a teenager addicted to GOT) like cable TV - or maybe just not buying as many niceties as you would have otherwise because you used the money to help another. THAT isn't what he's talking about at all.
50,000 is the estimated number of homeless in LA. The city's response is to routinely roust them from their campsites, not infrequently destroying all their remaining possessions in the process. The city counsel's response is to authorize new housing - a mere 10,000 units that will take several more years to build - and to erect fencing to prevent homeless from occupying vacant lots.
San Francisco has similar numbers - and they seem to have no response at all. They can't even keep up with the human waste in the streets. But they CAN offer sanctuary to illegal aliens while leaving citizens to fend for themselves in squalor - literally in down town San Francisco!
California wasted millions on a train they can't build. The city and state regulations are so Byzantine that it's nearly impossible to build the new homes needed - even adding to an existing home is tens of thousands of dollars in fees and unnecessary requirements. But they can provide medical care to illegal aliens?
Yeah, right. It'll look pretty on paper. Some will benefit and the rest will either move to where they can actually get work or live in squalor with their homeless American neighbors who were also unable to move to a better state."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThen we disagree.
As noted, I don't think addressing need is based on which club you belong to. I don't think that way for my country - and I don't think that way for my family. I have often asked my family to sacrifice because someone had a greater need. I imagine a world where everyone functions that way, and believe it would be a far better place to live.
Yes. Evidence is what is used to construct and support an argument. They are not the same thing. I would have thought you would have been aware of that relationship.
Ok...so maybe you aren't.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postsee? you could have just said that in the first place instead of posting your smug virtue signaling* (*I did that on purpose) and wasting three pages.
Well good for you! Pat yourself on the back! - but if your children were living in rat-infested squalor in a tent in some inner city slum I am sure you wouldn't spend your limited resources on some stranger and not help your children first.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostNothing to respond to here. Your idiocy speaks for itselfThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou've had your family live in the street and go without food?
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou've had your family go without routine medical care?
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou've had your family doing without basic needs - so someone ELSE could have them?
Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
That's extremely POOR stewardship.
Sparky isn't talking about minor sacrifices (or major, if you're a teenager addicted to GOT) like cable TV - or maybe just not buying as many niceties as you would have otherwise because you used the money to help another. THAT isn't what he's talking about at all.
50,000 is the estimated number of homeless in LA. The city's response is to routinely roust them from their campsites, not infrequently destroying all their remaining possessions in the process. The city counsel's response is to authorize new housing - a mere 10,000 units that will take several more years to build - and to erect fencing to prevent homeless from occupying vacant lots.
San Francisco has similar numbers - and they seem to have no response at all. They can't even keep up with the human waste in the streets. But they CAN offer sanctuary to illegal aliens while leaving citizens to fend for themselves in squalor - literally in down town San Francisco!
California wasted millions on a train they can't build. The city and state regulations are so Byzantine that it's nearly impossible to build the new homes needed - even adding to an existing home is tens of thousands of dollars in fees and unnecessary requirements. But they can provide medical care to illegal aliens?
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYeah, right. It'll look pretty on paper. Some will benefit and the rest will either move to where they can actually get work or live in squalor with their homeless American neighbors who were also unable to move to a better state.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo
Yes - we have the means and resources to provide medical care to anyone in this country that needs it, AND solve the housing issues. We are the richest nation on this planet and hold almost one third of the world's wealth. As I've said several times now, we simply lack the will. But there is no need for a dichotomy. We could build a separate house for every homeless person in the U.S. (554,000) in the most expensive place in the country (Kings County, NY) and the cost would be about 1/8 of the federal budget for a single year - or less than 1/50th of the national debt. Imagine if we actually housed them in lower-cost, subsidized apartments that can be built for a fraction of the price.
I have no idea what "it" means here. The simple fact is, we are a wealthy super-power - we have the resources. We don't need to choose. We just need to have the will to act."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIf that were true, I would BE one of the people in need, so you've moved the goalposts.
We're talking about the richest nation on the earth prioritizing whom to help on the basis of what club/country they belong to, not the poorest nation trying to figure out how to use its meager resources.
That isn't HELPING them, Carp. Not at all.
You seem to live in some idealistic universe that the rest of us can't see. Maybe because you never really had to deal with these situations? You seem to imagine the USA has unlimited resources and money.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYet the problem of the homeless and the destitute in California only gets brought up by conservatives - there is no political will to help the citizens -
And I believe you just reiterated my point: we lack the political will to solve the problem, not the means/resources.
Originally posted by Teallaura View Postand we see no reason why we should develop a political will to meet Leftist goals without any quid pro quo. Show real effort to address the issues at home - THEN we can talk seriously about what we can also do abroad.
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostBut the leftist/Democrat mantra of 'you gotta help the people here illegally and let more in' isn't convincing to conservatives who have acceded previously - and got stiffed. Remember amnesty?
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe usual - healthcare for illegals - which has zero chance of working in reality. And no, we DON'T have those kinds of resources - and you perfectly well know it.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI was assuming they didn't live with you, since they are grown. IF they were living in abject poverty you would not give away your limited resources to strangers before helping them FIRST.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostWe have limited resources. And we have people homeless and living in the streets. We can't house and feed them all and you want to add MORE of them by letting more people without homes or jobs into the country, who mostly can't even speak the language?
Originally posted by Sparko View PostThat isn't HELPING them, Carp. Not at all.
You seem to live in some idealistic universe that the rest of us can't see. Maybe because you never really had to deal with these situations? You seem to imagine the USA has unlimited resources and money.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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