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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYep - I can always count on your capacity to process arguments beyond the 4th grade level with maturity and depth of understanding.
Jim
EDIT: Phrasing.Last edited by JonathanL; 05-17-2019, 11:00 AM.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostIt has been my opinion for some 40 years now. I review it from time to time, because I'm not comfortable with it - but no better resolution seems to be on offer.
If we ever get to the point that we can take an early stage embryo and bring it to term artificially, or just transfer it to a willing host, there will be a better solution. But now this is what it is. The only way, in some cases, to save the life of the resultant child is to sacrifice one way or the other the woman herself. And when those are the options, I believe she should have to right to save her own life.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Yttrium View PostActually, this thread has made me wonder about that. There seems to be a complete lack of empathy for rape victims among a number of posters here. Apparently, if a poor teenage rape victim decides to keep her child, well, she'd better take good care of her baby... or else. No sympathy, no helping hand. She's just another one of those impoverished single mothers, right? She should have known better than to get pregnant in the first place. No responsibility for the rapist, it's all on her.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Yttrium View PostThe point is that I can't seem to provide quotes among the posts in question that show any compassion.
Moreover - when a woman has been gulled by "the sweet-to-the-mouth" story that results in death of the baby, there is likely to be no repairing the "bitter-to-the-stomach" aftermath.
MossRose's narrative shows well enough what can happen.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Yttrium View PostThe point is that I can't seem to provide quotes among the posts in question that show any compassion.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI have no idea where you would get that impression. No one here has said anything remotely resembling that. I am all for supporting crisis pregnancy centers which supply as much support as the expectant woman is willing to take. I am all for putting the baby up for adoption once it is born. I am all for forcing the rapist to make child support payments regardless if the baby is kept or put up for adoption.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostSimple fact is that compassion for the baby and compassion for the mother aren't exactly compatible.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI am all for supporting crisis pregnancy centers which supply as much support as the expectant woman is willing to take. I am all for putting the baby up for adoption once it is born. I am all for forcing the rapist to make child support payments regardless if the baby is kept or put up for adoption.Middle-of-the-road swing voter. Feel free to sway my opinion.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostNo, I described what you're doing in this thread perfectly. Regardless of what other arguments you're providing in this thread it is undisputable fact that you've been unjustifiably accusing people who disagree with you in this thread as lacking in empathy and compassion for people who have been raped, for the sole reason that they don't agree with whether the unborn child should be protected from the consequences of what it's father has done.
EDIT: Phrasing.
Case in point - I quote the rape victim that suffered PTSD and deep depression to the point of the possibility of suicide - MM BLAMES HER, SAYS SHE MUST HAVE MADE IT UP!
No - there has been no compassion here in this thread for the rape victim from the people I've called out for a lack of empathy. Now that the point has been made, there do appear to be attempts to fix that - but it's a bit hollow after the fact ...
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 05-17-2019, 11:20 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI disagree. Assisting the mother in her undesired condition is showing compassion for both.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo - the people I am addressing as lacking empathy are willing to put the full burden of bearing this child upon her against her will. No matter what her trauma, not matter what her mental state. And not once have they shown compassion for her or recognized that the rapist owns these consequences - not her. Not even partially have they been willing to lay blame on the rapist for the possibility the only way to save the mother is an abortion! And that is simply a FACT. And that is, in fact, showing no empathy or compassion for the woman who was raped. It is not a matter of characterizing anyone negatively because they don't agree with me. It is just a simple fact.
Jim
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Originally posted by Yttrium View PostThe point is that I can't seem to provide quotes among the posts in question that show any compassion.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI haven't seen a single person in this thread that holds to the position you describe above. You're making stuff up out of thin air.
If a rape victim needed help, I'd offer money (as much as I can). I'd even--although there would be logistical issues, of course--offer housing, food, diapers, you name it.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo - the people I am addressing as lacking empathy are willing to put the full burden of bearing this child upon her against her will. No matter what her trauma, not matter what her mental state. And not once have they shown compassion for her or recognized that the rapist owns these consequences - not her. Not even partially have they been willing to lay blame on the rapist for the possibility the only way to save the mother is an abortion! And that is simply a FACT. And that is, in fact, showing no empathy or compassion for the woman who was raped. It is not a matter of characterizing anyone negatively because they don't agree with me. It is just a simple fact.
Jim1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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