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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYet we glorify slave owners like Jefferson and Washington. And I for one have a lot of respect for men like Lee and Stonewall Jackson, having read much about them over the years. Their natural military acumen, and deep Christian faith.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes. They were devoutly religious men who fought honorably and bravely. And unlike modern revisionist historians would have us believe, the reasons for the Civil War war were nuanced and complex. Slavery was certainly an issue, but it wasn't THE issue, nor was it necessarily the concern of every Confederate who picked up a musket. We also recognize they were imperfect as all men are imperfect, but it is for their strengths and not their weaknesses that we honor then.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostTo be honest btc, i have never understood wanting to glorify or honor those that fought for the right to hold people as slaves.
So I really have little sympathy for the whole deal start to finish.
And i have met very, very few people that carry their southern heritage with that sort of pride that were not also very much white and very much racist.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes. They were devoutly religious men who fought honorably and bravely. And unlike modern revisionist historians would have us believe, the reasons for the Civil War war were nuanced and complex. Slavery was certainly an issue, but it wasn't THE issue, nor was it necessarily the concern of every Confederate who picked up a musket. We also recognize they were imperfect as all men are imperfect, but it is for their strengths and not their weaknesses that we honor then.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat is no different than wondering if Heather Heyer realized she had no business being there when these folks started showing up on her side
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AFAICT these are pix of antifa protesters in Charlottesville
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA lot of those that fought for the Confederacy loathed slavery -- especially poor farmers who looked on it as unfair competition. Nevertheless they were fighting for their homes, family and state.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostSurprise, surprise. Whataboutism again...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhatabout whataboutism?
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI guess many readers will think that is a good question since it appears many twebbers gave up on the idea of absolute standards for all practical purposes.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post"Whataboutism" is simply a way of defending hypocrisy while trying to sound intelligent.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post"Whataboutism" is simply a way of defending hypocrisy while trying to sound intelligent.
And hypocrisy can ONLY be shown if the person objecting to Y did not object to X. But what usually happens is someone objects to Y, they are labelled "liberal" (or conservative when this is done by someone from the left) and then the argument is made that since "liberals" (or conservatives) didn't object to X, the person in question cannot object to Y without being hypocritical. This has happened repeatedly. It looks like this:
Carpe: I think what Y did is immoral/illegal
Responder: What about X?
Carpe: You're engaging in whataboutism.
Responder: You're being hypocritical.
Carpe: You can only accuse me of hypocrisy if I did not object to what X did and am now objecting to Y.
Responder: Liberals (or the MSM) didn't object to X and you're liberal.
Carpe: What "liberals" did has nothing to do with me; I am an individual, not a group. I objected to X and I object to Y, so there is no hypocrisy, which means you're engaging in whataboutism
Responder: Whataboutism is just a way to dodge your hypocrisy.
Carpe: Right. I think I'll get off this bus.
Responder: Dodger!
That people don't see this truly amazes me. It's really rather simple.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThat people don't see this truly amazes me. It's really rather simple.
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Originally posted by seer View PostYet we glorify slave owners like Jefferson and Washington. And I for one have a lot of respect for men like Lee and Stonewall Jackson, having read much about them over the years. Their natural military acumen, and deep Christian faith.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat is a misdirect. This was the culture then and nearly 80 years before the civil war. They were not men confronted with the choice who chose for slavery. Likewise, those in the time of the civil war face a different sort of world and our capacity to fully ubderstand their choices is also limited. But this is now, and slavery is almost unversally abolished, and there is little left to honor. As historical figures we can try to understand them. But we cant accept or confirm their choice to support the institution of slavery, which above all other factors is what the civil war was about.
Jim
I know of no other context in which traitors to the U.S. are given honorifics by the very country they took up arms against.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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