There Was Spying On The Trump Campaign

[Cow Poke]

Oh, yes you are helping him, you just like to fool yourself and others into thinking you're not.

Bless your heart.

You think he belongs in office,

For now, because he was duly elected.

that he shouldn't be impeached,

Unless there's good cause - not just liberal hysteria.

you support him and blame it on his being the better alternative to Hillary.

No, a "less worse" alternative - get it right.

You're helping a treasonous autocrat to carry out his plan to centralize power into his hands alone. Unless you are ignorant, that is treasonous in and of itself.

It's amazing how you can pack so much rampant stupidity into one sentence.

[JimL]

You just said it was not spying:



Now you are admitting it WAS spying, but just not against Trump's campaign?

Wrong. Seems to be you have serious comprehension problems, Sparko. Surveilance is court sanctioned based on evidence such as foriegn intelligence revelations of contacts between Russians and members of the Trump campaign. U.S. intelligence didn't just willy nilly decide to spy on the Trump campaign, they presented evidence tio the court conveyed to them by foriegn intelligence concerning those secret meetings.

[Sparko]

And again, it is unbecoming for christians to rejoice in this sort of thing.

Jim just stop with this sort of thing. It makes you sound like a sanctimonious accuser of your brothers. We don't agree with you. We don't think Trump is a liar, a traitor, and all the other stuff you spew about him. I don't think he is a nice person, and he certainly needs to stop trolling the democracts on twitter. But I don't see him as a liar. You do. We disagree. That doesn't make me "rejoicing" in something I don't even agree he is doing. That doesn't make me a bad Christian. Or unbecoming. I have never once accused you of not being a Christian or being a bad Christian. I would appreciate it if you would stop accusing me and others of such things. Just stop.

[Sparko]

What sanctuary cities are trying to do is protect otherwise good people that are here because of poverty or mortal danger from being deported without mercy. Sanctuary cities are not asking for criminals, and are not trying to prevent the deportation of bad elements,

The liberal narrative is that the people coming across the border are NOT criminals but refugee families that are being torn apart at the border. If they were shipped to sanctuary cities they would be getting what the democrats want, to keep the families together and give sanctuary to people escaping danger.

I agree it is a stupid idea though, because what would keep them in those cities? They would just go there from the border, then run away to other parts of the country.

[MaxVel]

Jim just stop with this sort of thing. It makes you sound like a sanctimonious accuser of your brothers. We don't agree with you. We don't think Trump is a liar, a traitor, and all the other stuff you spew about him. I don't think he is a nice person, and he certainly needs to stop trolling the democracts on twitter. But I don't see him as a liar. You do. We disagree. That doesn't make me "rejoicing" in something I don't even agree he is doing. That doesn't make me a bad Christian. Or unbecoming. I have never once accused you of not being a Christian or being a bad Christian. I would appreciate it if you would stop accusing me and others of such things. Just stop.

This. Absolutely this.

This attitude undermines everything else Jim has to say.

[Sparko]

Wrong. Seems to be you have serious comprehension problems, Sparko. Surveilance is court sanctioned based on evidence such as foriegn intelligence revelations of contacts between Russians and members of the Trump campaign. U.S. intelligence didn't just willy nilly decide to spy on the Trump campaign, they presented evidence tio the court conveyed to them by foriegn intelligence concerning those secret meetings.

Surveillance of someone or another country is "spying" - that's what spying is, JimL.

[Zymologist]

Surveillance of someone or another country is "spying" - that's what spying is, JimL.

Source: Babylon Bee

Comey: 'We Did Not Spy---We Just Observed And Reported Secretly Without The Subject's Knowledge Or Consent'

© Copyright Original Source

[Cow Poke]

Jim just stop with this sort of thing. It makes you sound like a sanctimonious accuser of your brothers. We don't agree with you. We don't think Trump is a liar, a traitor, and all the other stuff you spew about him. I don't think he is a nice person, and he certainly needs to stop trolling the democracts on twitter. But I don't see him as a liar. You do. We disagree. That doesn't make me "rejoicing" in something I don't even agree he is doing. That doesn't make me a bad Christian. Or unbecoming. I have never once accused you of not being a Christian or being a bad Christian. I would appreciate it if you would stop accusing me and others of such things. Just stop.

I do see Trump as a liar - but what politician is not? Trump tells stupid lies - easily exposed. A glaring difference, though, is that Trump is actually keeping campaign promises, and that's where most other politicians excel at lying.

[rogue06]

Surveillance of someone or another country is "spying" - that's what spying is, JimL.

They weren't wiretapping Trump. They were electronically surveilling him.

They weren't spying on Trump. They were surveilling him.

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[Sparko]

I do see Trump as a liar - but what politician is not? Trump tells stupid lies - easily exposed. A glaring difference, though, is that Trump is actually keeping campaign promises, and that's where most other politicians excel at lying.

Telling lies is one thing, but Oxmixx sees Trump as a pathological liar who just lies when his lips move. Everyone tells lies, that doesn't make the "liars" - I see Trump as a typical politician who will tell a lie here and there, but mostly what he does is misspeak or saying something wrong that he didn't understand correctly or just exaggerrating. Or sometimes just changing his mind. I am sure if he doesn't send immigrants to sanctuary cities, Jim would call that a "lie"

That is where we disagree.

[JimL]

I do see Trump as a liar - but what politician is not? Trump tells stupid lies - easily exposed. A glaring difference, though, is that Trump is actually keeping campaign promises, and that's where most other politicians excel at lying.

"But I don't support Trump"

[Mountain Man]

Source: Kinkopf

The conception of presidential power embraced in the Barr Memo goes well beyond the ordinary unitary executive claims

© Copyright Original Source

https://www.acslaw.org/acsblog/the-b...al-presidency/


Neil Kinkopf is ACS Faculty Advisor and Professor of Law, Georgia State University College of Law.


Jim

* I believe this is a mistake, he is discussing Barr's memo addressing Mueller's obstruction theory

So an isolated opinion that I can not find reflected anywhere else. Okay.

Here's a lengthy defense of Barr's legal opinion from a source that is traditionally very hostile towards President Trump:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/qualifie...rr-memo-part-i

[RumTumTugger]

Not that you actually care, but wrong as usual.

and your source for this assertion?

[Cow Poke]

"But I don't support Trump"

Whatever you say, NAMBLA boy.

[lilpixieofterror]

If they think open borders and sanctuary cities or the entire state is a great idea then just what would they need to be protected from? They'd be getting what they want.