Mayor Pete Attacks Trump's Faith...

[seer]

And then you are in a position to point fingers at others even though you are a sinner, or exactly what is this about? I would think every sinner continues to sin? And is he continuing to sin or did he simply get it wrong? You cannot read his mind so I suggest you are careful before you conclude.

So the Christian doesn't get to call things like rape, murder, adultery, lying, etc... morally wrong?

[rogue06]

I don't know too many Christians who say their sin is a moral good, or that God created them to sin as he did.

Or require that others not only accept their sinning but celebrate it -- or else.

[rogue06]

He may SINCERELY BELIEVE God made him a homosexual -- he's entitled to that -- but he'd be sincerely wrong. He is living in open defiance of Christian teachings, and is unrepentant.

God didn't make him gay. It is the result of our living in a fallen world.

[Charles]

So the Christian doesn't get to call things like rape, murder, adultery, lying, etc... morally wrong?

That simply does not follow from what I said. What I encourage CP to be reluctant on is to assume that this person knowingly calls what is wrong right. I see no need to assume that. Disagreeing and insisting that is is wrong is something rather different from that.

[Charles]

He may SINCERELY BELIEVE God made him a homosexual -- he's entitled to that -- but he'd be sincerely wrong. He is living in open defiance of Christian teachings, and is unrepentant.

I think you are moving a little bit closer to a fair statement. However, your insistence that he is unrepentant seems to imply that his belief that God made him a homosexual is not his sincere belief. If he sincerely believed it he simply cannot repent because he does not believe it is wrong. So you need to make up your mind. You cannot have it both ways. While you may even be right that he is "living in open defiance of Christian teachings" that does not imply that he is doing so knowingly.

[Cow Poke]

I think you are moving a little bit closer to a fair statement.

I've been there! Maybe you're finally beginning to grasp it.

However, your insistence that he is unrepentant seems to imply that his belief that God made him a homosexual is not his sincere belief.

I covered that - he may be sincere, but he's sincerely wrong. Only by perverting the Scripture can you think otherwise.

If he sincerely believed it he simply cannot repent because he does not believe it is wrong.

A person committing adultery can find all kind of ways to justify it, and not repent -- he's still an unrepentant sinner. He just refuses to

So you need to make up your mind.

I have.

You cannot have it both ways.

I'm not.

While you may even be right that he is "living in open defiance of Christian teachings" that does not imply that he is doing so knowingly.

There's an expression even in law enforcement - "ignorance of the law is no excuse", and in the Christian world, that's no more clear than in Romans 1.

[JonathanL]

I think you are moving a little bit closer to a fair statement. However, your insistence that he is unrepentant seems to imply that his belief that God made him a homosexual is not his sincere belief. If he sincerely believed it he simply cannot repent because he does not believe it is wrong. So you need to make up your mind. You cannot have it both ways. While you may even be right that he is "living in open defiance of Christian teachings" that does not imply that he is doing so knowingly.

"Believing what you're doing is wrong" is not a necessary attribute of being unrepentant. Being told what you're doing is wrong and still persisting in your actions is what makes you unrepentant. Knowing that what you're doing is wrong isn't a state of unrepentance, it's one of the first stages of repentance. Unless you willingly persist in your actions even after being convinced that what you're doing is wrong, in which case you're "knowingly unrepentant".

[Sparko]

I think you are moving a little bit closer to a fair statement. However, your insistence that he is unrepentant seems to imply that his belief that God made him a homosexual is not his sincere belief. If he sincerely believed it he simply cannot repent because he does not believe it is wrong. So you need to make up your mind. You cannot have it both ways. While you may even be right that he is "living in open defiance of Christian teachings" that does not imply that he is doing so knowingly.

He may indeed not believe it is wrong. But all he need do is read the bible to find out. As a Christian, he should have already done that, so he has no excuse.

[seer]

That simply does not follow from what I said. What I encourage CP to be reluctant on is to assume that this person knowingly calls what is wrong right. I see no need to assume that. Disagreeing and insisting that is is wrong is something rather different from that.

What Mayor Mike can't read?

[Sparko]

What Mayor Mike can't read?

Pete.

[seer]

Pete.

I keep doing that! We had a beloved "Mayor Mike" in my town, he just recently died. Senior moments...

https://www.registercitizen.com/news...4-13602400.php

[firstfloor]

[Sparko]

Yeah, that must be it.

[Cow Poke]

First, he'll have to convince the Democrat mainliners to apologize for kicking God off their Party Platform.

[Cow Poke]

He may indeed not believe it is wrong. But all he need do is read the bible to find out. As a Christian, he should have already done that, so he has no excuse.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Rom 1:20