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Originally posted by Sparko View Posthow do you know how Buttigieg views scripture on homosexuality if you can't cite even one case of his referring to scripture regarding homosexuality?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostReverend Tassman, you have NO WAY OF KNOWING how Buttigieg views scripture. NOT A CLUE!
You have been challenged to produce ANYTHING that shows that Buttigieg actually considered the scripture in question, and you have failed repeatedly to do so. It is FAR more likely that he simply ignores the passages that directly address homosexuality.
Doesn't sound like someone who plays 'fast and loose' with his religion or the bible to me, but you are free to judge him.
All you do is spew forth nonsense and obfuscation.
Perhaps you can show me a copy of the email where Buttigieg has authorized an anti-Christian internet bigot to be his spokesperson?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou have a well established habit of being wrong about an incredibly wide range of topics.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou have a well established habit of evasion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostI don’t give a toss how Buttigieg OR you view scripture.
That's what you've been saying your argument was about!
Originally posted by Tassman View PostBur, what’s “in question” is not my argument. The argument is merely that practicing Christians disagree among themselves as to what is acceptable behavior for Christians.Originally posted by Tassman View PostMy argument was that the interpretation of scripture varies e.g. the likes of Buttigieg, as a practicing Christian, interprets scripture in such a way that homosexuality is OK with a loving God.
Sheeeeesh --- try to get your story straight!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou have a well established habit of evasion. Do you honestly believe that your god commanded people be stoned and burnt to death for things like cursing their parents, or homosexual behavior etc etc.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't recall God commanding anyone be burnt to death. Got any references?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMaybe he confuses the Christian Martyrs being burned at the stake by his heroes.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHis problem is that he never has actually read the bible. He gets all of his talking points from skeptic websites. JimL never does any original research, whether in politics or religion. He just parrots what other people say indiscriminately.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHis problem is that he never has actually read the bible. He gets all of his talking points from skeptic websites. JimL never does any original research, whether in politics or religion. He just parrots what other people say indiscriminately.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDo you honestly believe that your god commanded people be stoned and burnt to death for things like cursing their parents, or homosexual behavior etc etc.
Keep in mind that in the rest of the ancient near east, punishment for breaking laws was often far more severe, often involving torture and mutilation of the offender. The reason for the relative harshness for breaking these particular laws was to keep Israel sanctified and purified from the rest of the nations so that Israel could usher in the promised Messiah and bring all of the world, both Jew and Gentile, both you and I, back into communion with the creator of the universe. These laws were created in a heavily collectivist agrarian state that lacked prisons, policing, and the social nets that we take for granted. These laws were created in a pre-Pentecost, pre-Incarnation period when the Holy Spirit was only accessible at limited times to the prophets of Yahweh. They were issued under the shadow of a true theocracy that was hampered by the inaccessibility of the Holy Spirit. A theocracy that, while in power, rarely, if ever, carried out these extreme punishments, and whose power would eventually be usurped under occupation and exile. Under the Christian worldview, humanity now lives under a drastically different set of rules. One where moral failings are still sinful, and to be avoided, but where punishment is doled out by secular authorities, not a theocracy. Christians believe that through Jesus' death and resurrection, we are now under a new administration of grace where rather than punishment, God would rather us all turn from our sin, be filled with the Holy Spirit, and live more than abundant lives today and forever.
So, yes, Christian do believe that God proscribed certain max punishments for breaking his laws at a very particular place, period and context within history, and that he was justified for doing so within that place, period and context. And it does not apply to all places, periods and contexts. I'm not sure why no one else answered this question, but if I had to guess it wasn't because they were chicken, but because previous experience has taught them that anything that would take time to explain to you would likely be waved away, or further a sideline discussion that no one in this threads is interesting in engaging. Especially seeing as a lot of this sort of thing has been explained to you before.Last edited by Adrift; 05-16-2019, 02:12 PM.
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Originally posted by Adrift View Post
Keep in mind that in the rest of the ancient near east, punishment for breaking laws was often far more severe, often involving torture and mutilation of the offender. The reason for the relative harshness for breaking these particular laws was to keep Israel sanctified and purified from the rest of the nations so that Israel could usher in the promised Messiah and bring all of the world, both Jew and Gentile, both you and I, back into communion with the creator of the universe. These laws were created in a heavily collectivist agrarian state that lacked prisons, policing, and the social nets that we take for granted. These laws were created in a pre-Pentecost, pre-Incarnation period when the Holy Spirit was only accessible at limited times to the prophets of Yahweh. They were issued under the shadow of a true theocracy that was hampered by the inaccessibility of the Holy Spirit. A theocracy that, while in power, rarely, if ever, carried out these extreme punishments, and whose power would eventually be usurped under occupation and exile. Under the Christian worldview, humanity now lives under a drastically different set of rules. One where moral failings are still sinful, and to be avoided, but where punishment is doled out by secular authorities, not a theocracy. Christians believe that through Jesus' death and resurrection, we are now under a new administration of grace where rather than punishment, God would rather us all turn from our sin, be filled with the Holy Spirit, and live more than abundant lives today and forever.
So, yes, Christian do believe that God proscribed certain max punishments for breaking his laws at a very particular place, period and context within history, and that he was justified for doing so within that place, period and context. And it does not apply to all places, periods and contexts. I'm not sure why no one else answered this question, but if I had to guess it wasn't because they were chicken, but because previous experience has taught them that anything that would take time to explain to you would likely be waved away, or further a sideline discussion that no one in this threads is interesting in engaging. Especially seeing as a lot of this sort of thing has been explained to you before.
But hey! Nice to see you Adrift. You have been missed.
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Originally posted by Adrift View Post
Keep in mind that in the rest of the ancient near east, punishment for breaking laws was often far more severe, often involving torture and mutilation of the offender. The reason for the relative harshness for breaking these particular laws was to keep Israel sanctified and purified from the rest of the nations so that Israel could usher in the promised Messiah and bring all of the world, both Jew and Gentile, both you and I, back into communion with the creator of the universe. These laws were created in a heavily collectivist agrarian state that lacked prisons, policing, and the social nets that we take for granted. These laws were created in a pre-Pentecost, pre-Incarnation period when the Holy Spirit was only accessible at limited times to the prophets of Yahweh. They were issued under the shadow of a true theocracy that was hampered by the inaccessibility of the Holy Spirit. A theocracy that, while in power, rarely, if ever, carried out these extreme punishments, and whose power would eventually be usurped under occupation and exile. Under the Christian worldview, humanity now lives under a drastically different set of rules. One where moral failings are still sinful, and to be avoided, but where punishment is doled out by secular authorities, not a theocracy. Christians believe that through Jesus' death and resurrection, we are now under a new administration of grace where rather than punishment, God would rather us all turn from our sin, be filled with the Holy Spirit, and live more than abundant lives today and forever.
So, yes, Christian do believe that God proscribed certain max punishments for breaking his laws at a very particular place, period and context within history, and that he was justified for doing so within that place, period and context. And it does not apply to all places, periods and contexts. I'm not sure why no one else answered this question, but if I had to guess it wasn't because they were chicken, but because previous experience has taught them that anything that would take time to explain to you would likely be waved away, or further a sideline discussion that no one in this threads is interesting in engaging. Especially seeing as a lot of this sort of thing has been explained to you before.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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