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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostPersonal slam? You are arguing over the word "fear".
I'm discussing the meaning of "homophobic" and its application. And I am challenging the substitution of "concern" for "fear," since I see them as tightly related. For some reason, the idea that people might be "fearful of X" appears to be a pejorative to you. I'm suggesting it doesn't have to be.
That being said, I am also aware that "homophobic" is tossed around by many in a condescending fashion.
One thing that is interesting in this exchange, is that my original post was about the people and time of the ancient near east, where homophobia seems to me to be very applicable. Somehow, that morphed into "making us sound like really bad people." I wasn't even talking about modern Christians.
That being said, as I noted, I hear a lot of fear-based language on this topic: diminish marriage, harm our youth, undermine morality, and the list goes on. I don't see why that makes anyone a "bad person." I have fears that Trump is normalizing some very ugly behavior. That fear doesn't make me a bad person. It just earns me the occasional "TDS" accusation.Last edited by carpedm9587; 04-22-2019, 09:52 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI'm discussing the meaning of "homophobic" and its application. And I am challenging the substitution of "concern" for "fear," since I see them as tightly related. For some reason, the idea that people might be "fearful of X" appears to be a pejorative to you. I'm suggesting it doesn't have to be.
Many years ago, I made a choice not to live in fear. There are things about which I am concerned, but I don't fear them. I know a lot of people who seem to be consumed with fear, and I hate that.
That being said, I am also aware that "homophobic" is tossed around by many in a condescending fashion.
One thing that is interesting in this exchange, is that my original post was about the people and time of the ancient near east, where homophobia seems to me to be very applicable. Somehow, that morphed into "making us sound like really bad people." I wasn't even talking about modern Christians.
That being said, as I noted, I hear a lot of fear-based language on this topic: diminish marriage, harm our youth, undermine morality, and the list goes on.
I don't see why that makes anyone a "bad person." I have fears that Trump is normalizing some very ugly behavior. That fear doesn't make me a bad person. It just earns me the occasional "TDS" accusation.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYes. "You're always right" is a personal slam. You can go round and round with Tass for pages and pages, and you're not "always right," but if I make a proposition and then support it with argumentation, I'm "always right." You're not exactly the paragon of consistency.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt was, actually. Christian slaveholders used the bible to justify slavery.
The Southern Baptist Convention never endorsed a bad interpretation of scripture to justify slavery. And I'm the one who brought up the misrepresented "curse of Ham" that you subsequently tried to use as proof of your idiotic claims.Last edited by Cow Poke; 04-22-2019, 10:14 AM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI apologize... I temporarily grouped you in with anti-Christian bigot Tassman, and responded too harshly to you.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMany years ago, I made a choice not to live in fear. There are things about which I am concerned, but I don't fear them. I know a lot of people who seem to be consumed with fear, and I hate that.
That was my point.
I'm guessing we're not going to agree on this, and willing to admit it's probably MY perspective, but I don't see 'concern' about those things being the same thing as 'fear', particularly in regards to your analogy of the spider.
I also draw a distinction between "experiencing fear" and "living in fear." For me, the person who experiences fear is simply experiencing a normal human emotion. The person who lives in fear is letting their fear dictate their choices. The former has nothing to do with being a bad person. The latter can lead us into doing some pretty bad things.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe whole point, which you have already acknowledged, is that, and I quote ""homophobic" is tossed around by many in a condescending fashion". WHY is that term used? What's the purpose of "condescension" in that regard?
That is how (and why) I use the term.Last edited by carpedm9587; 04-22-2019, 10:54 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI wish there was a way to run an experiment to uncover how much a person's interpretation and selection of passages is related to their pre-existing ideas and priorities, and simply serves to re-affirm them....Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat would apply to almost anything, and everyone...
A) Those who agreed that their interpretations may be based on their own pre-existing ideas and priorities, and
2) Those who were not honest (or aware) enough to realize that their interpretations may be based on their own pre-existing ideas and priorities
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think we would discover two basic categories...
A) Those who agreed that their interpretations may be based on their own pre-existing ideas and priorities, and
2) Those who were not honest (or aware) enough to realize that their interpretations may be based on their own pre-existing ideas and priorities
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat would apply to almost anything, and everyone...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostTo be honest, I'm not sure where my pre-existing ideas or priorities are at odds with any text. Just the opposite, I try to let the texts change my pre-existing ideas or priorities.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI find my little alarm goes off when someone starts a sentence, "to be honest."Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI find my little alarm goes off when someone starts a sentence, "to be honest."The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOr, "to be perfectly honest"... you mean you weren't BEFORE!?!?!?
Its especially funny when spoken by a woman...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostJust stating facts. For instance, it took me a couple of years to accept the idea that fornication (sexual relations outside the covenant of marriage) was not moral - Biblically. My personal bias did not want that to be the case. Along with getting high or three sheets to the wind.
Just sayin...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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