Trump Takes On Campus Speech Police

[Sparko]

Yes, who gets to determine what's "intolerant"?

exactly. Our first amendment is there to protect speech that others might find offensive or intolerant. What good is free speech that everyone agrees with?

basically the UK seems to say "We believe free speech is important unless it says something we don't like"

[Cow Poke]

exactly. Our first amendment is there to protect speech that others might find offensive or intolerant. What good is free speech that everyone agrees with?

basically the UK seems to say "We believe free speech is important unless it says something we don't like"

I think we always err on the side of freedom - with the obvious time-honored exceptions like "you can't yell fire in a crowded theater", or speech that directly incites others to violence. Speech that just makes others angry - that's their problem.

[rogue06]

I think we always err on the side of freedom - with the obvious time-honored exceptions like "you can't yell fire in a crowded theater", or speech that directly incites others to violence. Speech that just makes others angry - that's their problem.

[pedantic]Unless of course there is a fire[/pedantic]

[Cow Poke]

[pedantic]Unless of course there is a fire[/pedantic]

Then you still can't yell - you have speak calmly, loudly and clearly and in a British accent.

[seer]

I think we always err on the side of freedom - with the obvious time-honored exceptions like "you can't yell fire in a crowded theater", or speech that directly incites others to violence. Speech that just makes others angry - that's their problem.

National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...lage_of_Skokie

[Catholicity]

"free speech is a core value at universities"

It depends on what you are calling "free speech." There is an idea here that Free Speech doesn't give you the right to yell Fire in a Crowded Theater. See I know someone who had a nasty habit of consistently complaining they couldn't get a job at a college other than as an adjunct professor. -But the same person has a very public social media account where they say things like "illegal immigrants should be shot and killed on site" "Men are stupid pigs" "Children are noisy and should be beaten by there parents" And this person consistently complains that they can't get a decent job, and are ostracized by others. I don't even socialize with the person. So, I guess it kind of depends on what you mean by "free speech." It's one thing to express your religious views, or say something like "my views are not that of the curriculum" or " I adhere to the policy of economic conservatism." But if your speech turns into something that is purposefully full of vitriol, one might find themselves in trouble.
However there is a fine line of PC abusurdity.

[Cow Poke]

It depends on what you are calling "free speech." There is an idea here that Free Speech doesn't give you the right to yell Fire in a Crowded Theater.

A) Unless, of course, there's actually a fire, then yell like crazy
2) The reason this is frowned upon it unnecessarily puts peoples lives at risk

See I know someone who had a nasty habit of consistently complaining they couldn't get a job at a college other than as an adjunct professor. -But the same person has a very public social media account where they say things like "illegal immigrants should be shot and killed on site" "Men are stupid pigs" "Children are noisy and should be beaten by there parents" And this person consistently complains that they can't get a decent job, and are ostracized by others. I don't even socialize with the person. So, I guess it kind of depends on what you mean by "free speech."

That person is still free to exercise his/her opinion, but is not exempt from the consequences of doing so.

It's one thing to express your religious views, or say something like "my views are not that of the curriculum" or " I adhere to the policy of economic conservatism." But if your speech turns into something that is purposefully full of vitriol, one might find themselves in trouble.
However there is a fine line of PC abusurdity.

With freedom comes responsibility and consequences.