Transgender sprinters finish 1st, 2nd at Connecticut girls indoor track championships

[Electric Skeptic]

You don't think a man walking in and wiping out every female cycling record to the point that no woman could ever beat it qualifies as subjugation? That a woman athlete entering a contest knowing she will only place second at best is not being oppressed?

No, and no. 'Subjugate' means to bring under control or render submissive. Beating someone in a physical contest doesn't do either of those things.

And the claim (and I know it wasn't yours) that this shows "the oppression of liberalism" is ridiculous.

[rogue06]

Ultramarathons? That's the only thing that comes to mind where women are likely to beat men in the sport, due to their own biological advantages in that respect: https://www.insider.com/women-are-fa...strogen-2020-1

There are few where they do better but several where they do at least as well like equestrian sports

[rogue06]

I remember my psychology professor would pretty much turn purple when somebody suggested that psychology wasn't a "real" science, or that it was a "soft" science.

He wanted SO BADLY to be recognized as an actual scientist.

That reminds me of how I was taught that psychology, psychiatry, sociology, economics and political science weren't really science since you could get half a dozen eminent experts on any of those topics, ask them a question and you'd get six completely different answers.

[Mountain Man]

No, and no. 'Subjugate' means to bring under control or render submissive. Beating someone in a physical contest doesn't do either of those things.

And the claim (and I know it wasn't yours) that this shows "the oppression of liberalism" is ridiculous.

Really, so a woman athlete knowing that she will always be in second place behind a man is not being subjugated or oppressed? Fine, let's apply that logic to the business world and see what you liberal idiots have to say.

[thormas]

So? If a man can be a woman simply by his say-so, which you accept, then how is it not hypocritical for you to then declare "her" unfairly advantaged if "she" wishes to compete against women? Should a tall woman be disqualified from playing basketball for the same reason?

I don't have an issue. I'm simply pointing out your inherently contradictory position.

First it's not simply by one's say so, it is a lot more involved which I'm sure you understand, so why downplay it? And my position is neither hypocritical or contradictory but simply recognizes the dilemma for all involved in the sports arena - while at the same time accepting the trans individual.

However I'm glad you have no issue as you accept transsexuality and the transexual's full right to play sports.

[thormas]

Really, so a woman athlete knowing that she will always be in second place behind a man is not being subjugated or oppressed? Fine, let's apply that logic to the business world and see what you liberal idiots have to say.

Well we already know that women are superior business leaders.

[Mountain Man]

First it's not simply by one's say so, it is a lot more involved which I'm sure you understand, so why downplay it? And my position is neither hypocritical or contradictory but simply recognizes the dilemma for all involved in the sports arena - while at the same time accepting the trans individual.

You only see a dilemma because your position is contradictory. Either a man who calls himself a woman should be given the full rights of a woman, or he shouldn't. Trying to give him selective rights based on your own subjective notion of "fairness" leads to the sort of hypocritically charged "dilemma" you are running face first into.

[Electric Skeptic]

Really, so a woman athlete knowing that she will always be in second place behind a man is not being subjugated or oppressed?

Of course she's not. It seems you don't know what those words mean.

There is also the point - which, of course, you have happily ignored - that by no means all liberals are in favour of allowing transgender women to compete against CIS women. But if you had to deal with that you wouldn't be able to throw out your mindless slurs at liberals, would you?

Fine, let's apply that logic to the business world and see what you liberal idiots have to say.

Depends what you conservative idiots want to do.

[Mountain Man]

Of course she's not.

So you believe that it is okay for a woman to be forced into a situation where she will always come in second place to a man. Got it.

Maybe I should let you and thormas duke this one out.

[rogue06]

Really, so a woman athlete knowing that she will always be in second place behind a man is not being subjugated or oppressed? Fine, let's apply that logic to the business world and see what you liberal idiots have to say.

A glass ceiling in sports that is effectively shatter resistant and bulletproof has just been put in place there thanks to the left and old Joe.

[thormas]

You only see a dilemma because your position is contradictory. Either a man who calls himself a woman should be given the full rights of a woman, or he shouldn't. Trying to give him selective rights based on your own subjective notion of "fairness" leads to the sort of hypocritically charged "dilemma" you are running face first into.

Actually some of us are wise enough to realize that human life is complicated and more nuance that others can ever allow.

Or, in simpler terms, it is not always black and white.

[Mountain Man]

Actually some of us are wise enough to realize that human life is complicated and more nuance that others can ever allow.

Or, in simpler terms, it is not always black and white.

That's a poor rationalization for hypocritically denying someone their rights.

[rogue06]

Actually some of us are wise enough to realize that human life is complicated and more nuance that others can ever allow.

Or, in simpler terms, it is not always black and white.

Declaring "its complicated" is often the excuse offered up by those caught engaging in contradictory hypocritical behavior

[thormas]

Declaring "its complicated" is often the excuse offered up by those caught engaging in contradictory hypocritical behavior

Yet it is complicated as all but the simpleminded would recognize :+}

Human life is not black and white but actually is complicated and we must tread carefully where human lives are impacted.

[Mountain Man]

Declaring "its complicated" is often the excuse offered up by those caught engaging in contradictory hypocritical behavior

It's apparently so complicated that he can't offer a coherent defense of his position.