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  • #16
    Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
    I read your summary.
    I would tend to recommend against that. MM's articles tend to be so full of falsehoods, misleading claims, and general nonsense, that it probably lowers the IQ of anyone exposed to them.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      I would tend to recommend against that. MM's articles tend to be so full of falsehoods, misleading claims, and general nonsense, that it probably lowers the IQ of anyone exposed to them.
      Of course, I just found it so amusing that he didn't realize that pointing out the kinds of election fraud enabled by touchscreen voting was a Democratic talking point :D.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DivineBoob View Post
        I read your summary. If your summary failed to summarize then that's not my fault.
        Right, so you didn't bother to read the source. Wilful ignorance is such a poor debate tactic, but it's one of your favorites.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Right, so you didn't bother to read the source. Wilful ignorance is such a poor debate tactic, but it's one of your favorites.
          Sure thing James.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            It's also a way to violate my rights to have a jury of my peers.
            That, my friend, depends on how you define "peers."

            I have a friend who has been in-country for 20 years now. He has a green card - but has never pursued citizenship. Yet he knows this country well, considers it home, and has been my colleague for 20 years. In any real way, I consider him my "peer." Citizenship has little/nothing to do with it.

            Does a peer have to be "exactly like you?" Presumably not. If not, then what differences are and are not permitted? At what point do they cease to be your peer?
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • #21
              Something about this makes no sense to me. First, I have never ever gone to vote in a situation where it was even possible to vote multiple times. I walk in, am given my ballot, go to a booth to fill it out, and drop it in a box on the way out. When the voting is electronic, there are safeguards that prevent a voter from voting multiple times in the booth.

              The people manning the polling places can commit fraud, so it is important for polling stations to be manned by trustworthy people and to have safeguards in place (i.e., no one works alone) to help protect against this.

              As for absentee voting, that is all I have done for the last 20 years, even when I am in town. Again, I request the ballot, it is sent to me by mail or I pick it up, and my name is recorded as receiving an absentee ballot. I cannot vote in person once I have made that request. If my ballot is lost, it is lost and I am out of luck.

              I also note this article is pretty strongly slanted to anti-democrat views and apparently ignores the instances of voter fraud perpetrated by Republicans. It also tries to paint as "common" (largely through unsupported insinuation) and problem that study after study has shown to be rare. Even groups trying to build a database of documented voter fraud have found themselves with just over a thousand instances of voter fraud nationwide over a 20 year period of voting, a period during which billions of votes were cast, making the fraud rate less than 0.000001%. Any business in the world would drool to achieve an error rate so low.

              Once again, the "boogeyman" of voter fraud is being raised to achieve one and only one end: reduce voter turnout. Why? Because most Republicans know that when voters turn out - Democrats tend to win. And reductions in voter turn out typically are skewed to the poor and minorities, which again directly targets Democratic voter turnout. It is part and parcel of a "win at any cost" model the Republican party has adopted - even if it disenfranchises their own fellow citizens.
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
                I read your summary. If your summary failed to summarize then that's not my fault.
                You have to be careful with MM. His SOP is to extract a piece of an article, sometimes even single sentences or even fragments of sentences, that paint a picture he wants to paint. He provides the link to the original article, presumably to salve his conscience. When you go to the actual article, most of the time you will find that what MM has presented is not what the article is saying or concluding. In other words - he cherry picks pieces of articles to support his pre-existing conclusion.

                He also does that when responding to posters. He regularly takes single sentences or fragments out of context, often changing their meaning in the process. With MM, always follow the links to get the full story. You cannot trust the fragments he posts.
                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                  You have to be careful with MM. His SOP is to extract a piece of an article, sometimes even single sentences or even fragments of sentences, that paint a picture he wants to paint. He provides the link to the original article, presumably to salve his conscience. When you go to the actual article, most of the time you will find that what MM has presented is not what the article is saying or concluding. In other words - he cherry picks pieces of articles to support his pre-existing conclusion.

                  He also does that when responding to posters. He regularly takes single sentences or fragments out of context, often changing their meaning in the process. With MM, always follow the links to get the full story. You cannot trust the fragments he posts.
                  If he were quoting a non-RWNJ news source I would definitely not trust his summary. But conservative outhouse et al. are all just trash so he probably did accurately represent their perspective. It's just that they don't have anything true or useful to say.
                  Last edited by DivineOb; 05-29-2020, 12:07 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Like we didn't know...
                    Why did not Texas secure their election process? North Carolina has effectively done this. The only election scandal in North Carolina is when Republicans committed fraud in an effort change the election results. They were caught, because the election process. is secure. There is very little evidence of illegal voting in NC.
                    Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-29-2020, 12:14 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Not sure if this was brought up here, but... yeah...

                      NJ NAACP Leader Calls For Paterson Mail-In Vote to Be Canceled Amid Corruption Claims

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        With MM, always follow the links to get the full story.
                        That's good advice no matter who is posting.

                        And I ALWAYS provide sources.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #27
                          It seems this story is not evidence of voter fraud unless it is shown that those people never got citizenship.

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