A Question of Respect?

[carpedm9587]

Outside of going to a trump rally MAGA stuff actually DOES incite trouble. Its a culture thing. I mean just because you CAN doesn't mean you should. I mean no it's not akin to wearing a yankees jersey outside of New York City. People genuinely associate MAGA stuff with racism, bigotry and narcissism among other things. I doubt you'd get the same response from seeing someone in a baseball jersey.

Exactly.

[carpedm9587]

I like how carpe retreated from his own thread when it became undeniable that his original narrative was flat out wrong.

Carpe was in the hospital - and then at a funeral.

[carpedm9587]

What makes him especially insufferable is that despite his extreme bias (which is apparently obvious to everybody but himself) he sees himself as a neutral observer and "the voice of reason" in these discussions.

I do not see myself as a "neutral observer," nor have I ever made a claim to being "the voice of reason."

[Sparko]

So - I have to reverse myself on my reversal. I did some digging - and one of these CNN quotes has been shown to be a transcription error, and the other is not verified to be what he actually said. Given that both quotes happened in the same CNN interview, and the first was demonstrably a transcription error - it would seem to me fairly probably that the latter is as well. But the fact is - we don't know.

He has said that he was a recon ranger. He was not. And the fact that he kept saying "Vietnam" whenever he mentioned he was a vet means that he was intentionally trying to give the impression he was in Vietnam.

[Cow Poke]

I have no problem with a change of title to "A Question of Perspective?" if the posters here are in favor. It certainly appears to correlate with what is happening.

You seem surprised!

[carpedm9587]

He has said that he was a recon ranger. He was not. And the fact that he kept saying "Vietnam" whenever he mentioned he was a vet means that he was intentionally trying to give the impression he was in Vietnam.

Read the statement in its context, Sparko. The article was about the activities at the Standing Rock reservation and Phillips was talking about his role in that event. Granted, tossing in the reference to his Vietnam-era service muddied the waters, and made the rest of the sentence ambiguous. Of course, when you lift the sentence out of its context, it makes it look like his claim was about his military service.

[carpedm9587]

You seem surprised!

No - I cannot say that I am all that surprised. The tendency, in today's political climate, for people to anchor themselves to an interpretation that aligns with their politics is all too familiar. Unfortunate - but familiar. I struggle with it all the time - and not always successfully.

[Cow Poke]

No - I cannot say that I am all that surprised. The tendency, in today's political climate, for people to anchor themselves to an interpretation that aligns with their politics is all too familiar. Unfortunate - but familiar. I struggle with it all the time - and not always successfully.

Um..... I meant surprised by the fact that I would come up with a title that "certainly appears to correlate with what is happening".

[seer]

It is not intrinsically bad or wrong. However, the hat is closely associated with a man who advocates for some very ugly things. So if you were the hat, it seems to me reasonable that people are likely to associated you with those same ugly things. If I wear a KKK hat, I'm going to be associated with the KKK. If I wear a "Planned Parenthood" hat - I'm going to be associated with planned parenthood. If I wear a MAGA hat, and especially if I begin to exhibit behavior that align with it's prime representative - it is naive to think I am not going to be associated with that man and his rhetoric and behavior.

Or you wear the hat because you want to make American great again.

[Bill the Cat]

So - I have to reverse myself on my reversal. I did some digging - and one of these CNN quotes has been shown to be a transcription error, and the other is not verified to be what he actually said. Given that both quotes happened in the same CNN interview, and the first was demonstrably a transcription error - it would seem to me fairly probable that the latter is as well. But the fact is - we don't know. So the claim that Phillips "misled" or "lied" about his service is, as best I can tell, "unproven."

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1088285433673515009

Nathan Phillips, January 3, 2018

"I'm a Vietnam Vet. I served in Marine Corps 72 to 76. I got discharged May 5, 1976. I got honorable discharge and one of the boxes shows peacetime or, what my box says is that I was **in theater**. I don't talk much about my Vietnam times."

[Cow Poke]

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1088285433673515009

Nathan Phillips, January 3, 2018

"I'm a Vietnam Vet. I served in Marine Corps 72 to 76. I got discharged May 5, 1976. I got honorable discharge and one of the boxes shows peacetime or, what my box says is that I was **in theater**. I don't talk much about my Vietnam times."

Well, there's the smoking peace pipe! You can watch the video in that link to see him saying it in his own words.

[Catholicity]

It's become very clear, Even via Snopes accounts that Nathan Phillips has a history of being whackadoodle. I do believe it appears that he likely provoked people who were already...provoked. He kind of reminds me of someone who sticks his fingers in boiling water, then complains when the water burns him. I do believe he would be classified as a jackass. UGH.
To those who are wondering I won't reverse my stance on Maga, and I will continue to wonder why Chaperones Absolutely did not break this up. They should have and needed to. But crazies like Phillips need to NOT be given their 15 minutes because it strongly distracts from issues such as the flaming of the Cult group that was already there.

[Mountain Man]

Carpe was in the hospital - and then at a funeral.

I'm sorry to hear that.

[carpedm9587]

Um..... I meant surprised by the fact that I would come up with a title that "certainly appears to correlate with what is happening".

No - I'm not surprised by that. You appear to have a modicum of intelligence.

[carpedm9587]

Or you wear the hat because you want to make American great again.

I may wear a KKK hat because I think that the white race is being unfairly treated (which it sometimes is) and I want all races to be on an equal footing. That doesn't make me less naive about what the hat symbolizes for so many and the effect it will have if I wear it.

With respect to greatness, I could get myself an orange hat that says, "Working together to Make America Great" and convey the same message. But if I wear a red hat with the classic Trump slogan, it is naive to think I will not be associated with Trump and EVERYTHING he represents - including the lying, bullying, ridicule, etc. If I knowingly wear something divisive, I shouldn't be surprised if I get a reaction.