So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[Mountain Man]

Do you think nobody notices you keep trying to swap out terms? I said "harassment" NOT "abuse"

Also notice his implication that a man can do whatever he wants to women as long as the victims don't complain.

[Sparko]

Also notice his implication that a man can do whatever he wants to women as long as the victims don't complain.

Well then, the one's Trump was talking about didn't complain so it must have been OK.

[Tassman]

Cavorting with porn stars would be consensual. Allegations of "sexual aggression" were all withdrawn. With Biden we have allegations and actual video and photos. So it is clear you excuse Biden and condemn Trump. Double-standard.

[Tassman]

No, Tassman, normal people do not have fantasies or urges for underage sex. That is abnormal. And normal heterosexuals don't have urges for homosexual sex or rape. Those are all abnormal desires and urges. And sick.

[JimL]

When was the last time you fantasized about having sex with children, or raping women JimL? If it is normal I am sure you have had such urges, right? Tell us about them.



What most civilized people who are not insane do is normal. Typical of the species.

And what makes what most people do normal?

[Sparko]

So here is the problem with your "distress" answer.

Let's take two men, Jack and Mack. They both have urges and fantasies about having sex with children. So far neither has actually had sex with children.

Jack feels distressed about this because he knows that having sex with children is wrong. So before he gives into his urges he seeks out professional help and therapy. You say this means he is abnormal and mentally ill.

Mack on the other hand enjoys his fantasies about having sex with children and looks forward to the day he has the opportunity to fulfill his desires. You say this means he is normal and not mentally ill.

Do you see the problem here? You are saying the one who will end up being an practicing pedophile is normal and the one who realizes that it is wrong and seeks help is not normal.

[JimL]

So here is the problem with your "distress" answer.

Let's take two men, Jack and Mack. They both have urges and fantasies about having sex with children. So far neither has actually had sex with children.

Jack feels distressed about this because he knows that having sex with children is wrong. So before he gives into his urges he seeks out professional help and therapy. You say this means he is abnormal and mentally ill.

Mack on the other hand enjoys his fantasies about having sex with children and looks forward to the day he has the opportunity to fulfill his desires. You say this means he is normal and not mentally ill.

Do you see the problem here? You are saying the one who will end up being an practicing pedophile is normal and the one who realizes that it is wrong and seeks help is not normal.

And in your opinion, what makes the former right, or what we call the moral thing to do, and the latter wrong and immoral?

[Sparko]

And in your opinion, what makes the former right, or what we call the moral thing to do, and the latter wrong and immoral?

I am not surprised that you are here arguing that pedophilia is right and moral, JimL.

[JimL]

I am not surprised that you are here arguing that pedophilia is right and moral, JimL.

I haven't argued that at all, but good job evading the actual question, Sparko.

[Sparko]

I haven't argued that at all, but good job evading the actual question, Sparko.

Yes you did. Your question only makes sense if you believe that the second one (where the guy goes on to become a pedophile) is moral and right. If you don't believe the second one is moral or right, then please, answer your own question. I am waiting.

[JimL]

Yes you did. Your question only makes sense if you believe that the second one (where the guy goes on to become a pedophile) is moral and right. If you don't believe the second one is moral or right, then please, answer your own question. I am waiting.

No, that isn't what it means at all, but when you answer the question I posed, then I'll answer yours. Fair enough?

[Sparko]

No, that isn't what it means at all, but when you answer the question I posed, then I'll answer yours. Fair enough?

Sure jim. I think the first one is moral because the guy realizes that having sex with children is wrong so he seeks help and stops it. The second is immoral because he embraces his deviancy and works towards becoming a practicing pedophile.
Not that we were even talking "morality" - we were discussing mental illness, which Tassman says is only true if a person feels distress about his urges. So he thinks the pedophile who embraces his urges and wants to practice pedophilia is not mentally ill but normal.


Now you answer your question.

[JimL]

Sure jim. I think the first one is moral because the guy realizes that having sex with children is wrong so he seeks help and stops it. The second is immoral because he embraces his deviancy and works towards becoming a practicing pedophile.

That merely states personal opinions, wherein both parties believe it wrong, the former restraining himself, the latter acting on it. But how do you think the moral conclusion itself is arrived at, based on what?

Not that we were even talking "morality" - we were discussing mental illness, which Tassman says is only true if a person feels distress about his urges. So he thinks the pedophile who embraces his urges and wants to practice pedophilia is not mentally ill but normal.

People who do what they believe to be wrong, or immoral, are not necessarily mentally ill. If they were then we would all be mentally ill.

Now you answer your question.

As explained above, you didn't answer the question I asked.

[Tassman]

So here is the problem with your "distress" answer.

[Tassman]

Sure jim. I think the first one is moral because the guy realizes that having sex with children is wrong so he seeks help and stops it. The second is immoral because he embraces his deviancy and works towards becoming a practicing pedophile.

Not that we were even talking "morality" - we were discussing mental illness, which Tassman says is only true if a person feels distress about his urges. So he thinks the pedophile who embraces his urges and wants to practice pedophilia is not mentally ill but normal.

Tassman says no such thing. Many people have unacceptable lascivious thoughts about sexual behavior which cover all areas of the sexual spectrum, e.g. the record high percentage of Evangelicals that view porn web sites.

https://www.christiantoday.com/artic...ates/42045.htm

So, by your criterion, are these naughty bible-belt people "mentally ill" or "normal"?