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So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThere is a great deal of data to support this demonstrable fact. E.g.
So, people at the UN (an incredibly corrupt organization) tell dirty jokes and stories...
According to the report, 21.7% of respondents said they were subjected to sexual stories or offensive jokes, 14.2% received offensive remarks about their appearance, body or sexual activities and 13% were targeted by unwelcome attempts to draw them into a discussion on sexual matters.
That's the best you could do?
A quick Google search will give you lots more.
It is perfectly reasonable to question, as per this article....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post'Toxic masculinity' are behaviors that are harmful yet are promoted by or excused by our culture's idea of how "real men" behave.
So if you think of the • Edited by a Moderator • jerk at the high-school, what harms might he do as he aims to behave like an 'alpha male'? Pinch girls' butts, wolf-whistle at them, perhaps tell some they're too fat? Beat up the smallest or most effeminate boys for not being masculine-enough, while calling them 'gay'? Get drunk and beat up his girlfriend of the day?...
i.e. All the jerk behavior that, when someone complains about it, so often gets swept under the rug of "well, boys will be boys".
And which the boys and men who are acting like that, rather than feeling bad about who they're harming, instead think of themselves as acting 'manly' and living up to social goals and stereotypes about how they should act.
I've also seen it suggested that opposition to "toxic masculinity" is challenging traditional ideas of masculinity. But the Western tradition of how men should act is chivalry and acting Christian-ly. If anyone is saying it's good to commit battery against women, be a bully, etc., it's certainly not the advocates of traditional Western morality.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI always appreciate how you precede your spewing forth of nonsense with warnings such as this.
So, people at the UN (an incredibly corrupt organization) tell dirty jokes and stories...
According to the report, 21.7% of respondents said they were subjected to sexual stories or offensive jokes, 14.2% received offensive remarks about their appearance, body or sexual activities and 13% were targeted by unwelcome attempts to draw them into a discussion on sexual matters.
That's the best you could do?
So why didn't you post any?
How bout doing some actual homework this time and post something credible, rather than just posting crap with a whole bunch of Tassyspeak declaring it "demonstrable fact".
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostGiven how liberals push nonsense like "white privilege" and "micro-aggression" where certain segments of society are deemed guilty without having so much as lifted a finger, I'll take that survey with a healthy serving of salt. Fair enough? I could see how an insecure woman who just "knows" guys are looking at her, and sees a sinister motive behind an innocent compliment, might answer yes to a survey asking if she has been subjected to sexual harassment.Last edited by Tassman; 01-29-2019, 03:58 AM.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostYep, "blame the victim", that was Harvey Weinstein's approach. He's a real man.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostHow about posting something of substance.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Looking around a bit, it seems that the term "toxic masculinity" originated not from feminists but from a men's movement in the 1990's. The point was not that these behaviors make a "real man" or that they are part of a traditional view of masculinity, but the opposite: that feminism challenged and modified traditional views of gender, and that the "toxic" view and behaviors grew in frequency as a consequence of that. One proposed cause was the modern breakdown of traditional families, and the "toxic" behaviors of boys and men tend to occur among those who were raised in a broken family, particularly without father figures. So although the left supposes it is a remnant of traditional Western culture, instead the original idea was that this "toxicity" grew as a consequence of the modern culture promoted by the left.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebate...activists_not/
I have heard the above claim before, that "toxic" behaviors are not typically passed in our culture from fathers to sons, but that "toxic" boys and men are most likely to have been raised without father figures.
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostI dont see how that would be. Isnt that just being courteous?
If you're opening the door because you are the strong man and they're just the fragile women - that's an example of "toxic masculinity."
Other examples of "toxic masculinity" include:
- Trump's statements on the access Hollywood tapes
- Franken's actions on the plane
- Pretty much everything Weinstein did
- Two words: Anthony Weiner
- The oft found male attitude that women are just conquests to get in bed (like the college roommate that puts a notch in his walking stick for every new woman he sleeps with, and two notches if she's a virgin).
Essentially - anything that objectifies women and glorifies men for doing so.Last edited by carpedm9587; 01-29-2019, 11:48 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Joel View PostLooking around a bit, it seems that the term "toxic masculinity" originated not from feminists but from a men's movement in the 1990's. The point was not that these behaviors make a "real man" or that they are part of a traditional view of masculinity, but the opposite: that feminism challenged and modified traditional views of gender, and that the "toxic" view and behaviors grew in frequency as a consequence of that. One proposed cause was the modern breakdown of traditional families, and the "toxic" behaviors of boys and men tend to occur among those who were raised in a broken family, particularly without father figures. So although the left supposes it is a remnant of traditional Western culture, instead the original idea was that this "toxicity" grew as a consequence of the modern culture promoted by the left.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebate...activists_not/
I have heard the above claim before, that "toxic" behaviors are not typically passed in our culture from fathers to sons, but that "toxic" boys and men are most likely to have been raised without father figures.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHow bout dialing down the Drama Queenery and/or mind your own business. You referenced the UN -- if ever there was a screwed up corrupt organization, that's one! How bout offering a legitimate example instead of a cesspool?
The UN has some flaws but it's not half as bad as you conservatives here like to pretend."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIf you're opening the door to help another person or be kind - yep.
If you're opening the door because you are the strong man and they're just the fragile women - that's an example of "toxic masculinity."
Other examples of "toxic masculinity" include:
- Trump's statements on the access Hollywood tapes
- Franken's actions on the plane
- Pretty much everything Weinstein did
- Two words: Anthony Weiner
- The oft found male attitude that women are just conquests to get in bed (like the college roommate that puts a notch in his walking stick for every new woman he sleeps with, and two notches if she's a virgin).
Essentially - anything that objectifies women and glorifies men for doing so.
Those actions are not representative of how men are supposed to behave or are taught to behave. Tying those behavior to masculinity so you can call it "toxic" is just an attempt to poison the well by tainting masculinity itself. Men mistreating women is just boorish and bad behavior. Men raping or sexually assaulting women is just being criminal. It isn't masculinity, any more than a woman manipulating a man to be her sugar daddy is "femininity" - it is just bad behavior.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIf you're opening the door because you are the strong man and they're just the fragile women - that's an example of "toxic masculinity."
This kind of thinking is precisely why I don't take that United Nations survey that Tass referenced seriously.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYou max out your own Drama Queenery in a post criticizing Drama Queenery? Sad!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHow is what those on your list did "glorifying men?"
Originally posted by Sparko View PostThose actions are not representative of how men are supposed to behave or are taught to behave.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostTying those behavior to masculinity so you can call it "toxic" is just an attempt to poison the well by tainting masculinity itself. Men mistreating women is just boorish and bad behavior. Men raping or sexually assaulting women is just being criminal. It isn't masculinity, any more than a woman manipulating a man to be her sugar daddy is "femininity" - it is just bad behavior.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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