So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[Bill the Cat]

for humans is one of diversity of race, culture and sexual orientation.

Wrong. There is no "normal" human skin color. But for each skin color, there are normal and abnormal expressions. For example, albinism is an abnormal expression of color for a human of African descent. Culture is not a physical trait, so there is no "normal" for culture. Sexual orientation is much simpler. The normal expression of sexual preference is heterosexual. All others are aberrations.

Regrettably, laughter is about all we get from ignorant Christian Fundamentalists in the face of professional opinions countering religious presuppositions.

Where have I made a religious argument?

This whether they are responding to the science of climate change, Evolution or in this instance the American Psychological Assn.

There's a reason psychology is called a soft science.

That's a political statement. That they occur does not make them any more normal than Down's Syndrome is a normal chromosomal condition.

https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation

Again, Politically motivated claptrap.


Social mores are also irrelevant when determining what is considered "normal" for a species.

No, is not abnormal, it is a normal variation within the species.

No it isn't. It's an abnormal variation from the normal hair colors caused by a mutated gene. Research shows red hair usually results from a mutation in a gene called MC1R, which codes for the melanocortin-1 receptor.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a8090276.html

The same applies to humans of different race...and homosexuals.

The existence of something in our species does not make it normal.

[Tassman]

No Tass,



They distinguish between the desire and acting, pedophilia is about acting on the desire. So again Tass do you agree that sexual attraction is not a disorder?

[Tassman]

Wrong. There is no "normal" human skin color. But for each skin color, there are normal and abnormal expressions. For example, albinism is an abnormal expression of color for a human of African descent. Culture is not a physical trait, so there is no "normal" for culture. Sexual orientation is much simpler. The normal expression of sexual preference is heterosexual. All others are aberrations.

Where have I made a religious argument?

There's a reason psychology is called a soft science.

A science nevertheless.

That's a political statement. That they occur does not make them any more normal than Down's Syndrome is a normal chromosomal condition.

Again, Politically motivated claptrap.

See above.

Social mores are also irrelevant when determining what is considered "normal" for a species.

No it isn't. It's an abnormal variation from the normal hair colors caused by a mutated gene. Research shows red hair usually results from a mutation in a gene called MC1R, which codes for the melanocortin-1 receptor.

The existence of something in our species does not make it normal.

[seer]

So you agree that sexual attraction to children is not a disorder?

[Sparko]

So you agree that sexual attraction to children is not a disorder?

That would be whacked. Surely Tassman won't say "yes" will he?

[Bill the Cat]

Albinism is an aberration, thus making it NOT normal. Same with homosexual attraction.


I've not said a word about rights. Only the difference between normal and abnormal.

A science nevertheless.

That relies heavily on opinion.


I'm not interested in doing anything about it at this point. Just the proper terminology. Until the definitions are correct, the conversation can't progress at all.

See above.

I did. It was wrong too.


Biological reality. It is independent of emotion or value judgements. Normal for our species is heterosexual contact.


See above for where I never mentioned rights. I was careful to stipulate that "abnormal" is not a value judgement, was I not?

[seer]

That would be whacked. Surely Tassman won't say "yes" will he?

He will if he agrees with the APA whom he worships.

[Tassman]

So you agree that sexual attraction to children is not a disorder?

Again, sexual desires are not pathological conditions in and of themselves. Acting on them is pathological behavior if the other party has not given informed consent and children are not in a position to give "informed consent". OTOH, adults are in a position to give informed consent...whether heterosexual or homosexual. Hence active pedophile behavior is a pathological disorder, whereas consensual adult sexuality is not.

[Tassman]

you

[seer]

Again, sexual desires are not pathological conditions in and of themselves. Acting on them is pathological behavior if the other party has not given informed consent and children are not in a position to give "informed consent". OTOH, adults are in a position to give informed consent...whether heterosexual or homosexual. Hence active pedophile behavior is a pathological disorder, whereas consensual adult sexuality is not.

That is not what I asked Tass, again:do you agree that sexual attraction to children is not a disorder?

[Sparko]

Again, sexual desires are not pathological conditions in and of themselves. Acting on them is pathological behavior if the other party has not given informed consent and children are not in a position to give "informed consent". OTOH, adults are in a position to give informed consent...whether heterosexual or homosexual. Hence active pedophile behavior is a pathological disorder, whereas consensual adult sexuality is not.

So you believe that there is nothing mentally wrong with someone who wants to have sex with children or likes looking at child pornography? Do you even know what a "pathology" is, Tassman? Please enlighten us.


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Pathology:
Medical health professionals use the term pathology to describe the study of disease and other abnormal conditions to include the causes, progression, and consequences. ... In this usage, the term pathological refers to abnormal or not typical, behavior or thinking that is caused by a mental or physical disease.

[Bill the Cat]

you

No. You don't have it straight. As usual. I have not said a single word about rights. That's YOUR straw to burn, idiot.

[Sparko]

No. You don't have it straight. As usual. I have not said a single word about rights. That's YOUR straw to burn, idiot.

I bet Tassy has red hair.

[Tassman]

That is not what I asked Tass, again:do you agree that sexual attraction to children is not a disorder?

act

[Tassman]

No. You don't have it straight. As usual. I have not said a single word about rights. That's YOUR straw to burn, idiot.