So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[Roy]

And the men are less capable of saving "the next generation" than the women? Why give priority to the women in this case?

No - but they are less capable of producing the next generation.

2 men and 6 women can reproduce a lot more effectively than 6 men and 2 women. Extrapolate...

[Tassman]

Reminds me of this I saw today...

I know, I know. Treating all people with courtesy and respect is chock-a-block full of hidden dangers.

[Tassman]

Ah, EXCELLENT point, Tassy - and the women have to train extra hard because, particularly in fighting fires, there are lots of heavy things to carry, including ladders and Scotpacks, and breaching equipment, and even fallen comrades... and feats of physical stamina that MOST women are not physically equipped to deal with like MOST men are.

And yet they do

And we all know that " young children and babies fare better with their mothers", so some of those moms are gonna have to stay home with those young children and babies.

But, when it comes to a crisis situation, we expect the men to step it up a notch because they gotta look after "the next generation".

We expect everybody

I have a whole new ... um... almost degree of respect for you, Tassy... for helping us flesh this thing out!

This has been FUN!!!!

Especially the men, since they're the ones we're going to expect to save "the next generation" in a crisis!

Not "especially men" at all. ALL human beings. The days of women as fragile creatures liable to an attack of the vapors at the 'drop of a hat' have long gone.

[Cow Poke]

No - but they are less capable of producing the next generation.

2 men and 6 women can reproduce a lot more effectively than 6 men and 2 women. Extrapolate...

Thank you, Roy, for this totally useless and unrelated post.

[Cow Poke]

I know, I know. Treating all people with courtesy and respect is chock-a-block full of hidden dangers.

Well, you're making that error where it's an "either / or". We can treat all people with courtesy and respect, and still be sure to look out for "the next generation". It doesn't mean we treat other men badly.

[Cow Poke]

We expect everybody

Especially the men, in time of crisis, which is why you justified "women and children first" in a crisis situation like a passenger liner sinking. Don't back down now, Tassy!

[Mountain Man]

Reminds me of this I saw today...

I see the strawman fallacy is alive and well...

[Mountain Man]

So how about we train our young boys and our young girls to show mutual respect and courtesy to all...even exiting from elevators.

And what's wrong with teaching young men traditional displays of respect towards women, such as opening a door for them, or letting them exit an elevator first?

[One Bad Pig]

Reminds me of this I saw today...

Obviously, the phrases don't correlate nearly as well as you seem to think.

[Cow Poke]

And what's wrong with teaching young men traditional displays of respect towards women, such as opening a door for them, or letting them exit an elevator first?

Sadly, it appears that Tassman has revealed his hidden disdain for women.

[Bill the Cat]

Sadly, it appears that Tassman has revealed his hidden disdain for women.

I know. Is that the best a man can get?

[Cow Poke]

I know. Is that the best a man can get?

But I think he's switching sides, because he has clearly confirmed that "we can agree that young children and babies fare better with their mothers". This is YUGE!!!!

[Tassman]

Thank you, Roy, for this totally useless and unrelated post.

Especially the men, in time of crisis, which is why you justified "women and children first" in a crisis situation like a passenger liner sinking. Don't back down now, Tassy!

In time of crisis we take care of those in greatest need at the time. In the Titanic situation this means women and children first.

PS: I hope your wife is recovering well from her knee-cap operation. They can be painful, I believe.

[Tassman]

And what's wrong with teaching young men traditional displays of respect towards women, such as opening a door for them, or letting them exit an elevator first?

So what's wrong with training young boys and young girls to show mutual respect and courtesy to all? You need to ask yourself why such "traditional displays of respect towards women" arose in the first place.

[Cow Poke]

Being decent to women is just training for when it's actually necessary to rescue the "next generation". No harm in being nice to women, Tass. Don't know why you are so anti-woman!

In time of crisis we take care of those in greatest need at the time. In the Titanic situation this means women and children first.

You bet! And men treating women and children with a little more priority than other men is just icing on the cake. Getting prepared for that big crisis!

PS: I hope your wife is recovering well from her knee-cap operation. They can be painful, I believe.

She's doing great - surgery went well, recovery is proceeding nicely, she comes home from the hospital tomorrow.