Trump's National Address

[carpedm9587]

Trump is only deemed worse because you include every misstatement, every expression of opinion that you disagree with as a lie.

No - Trump is worse because Trump is worse.

Again, I've seen lists like the one the TDS afflicted wave about since the time of Johnson and Nixon.

Yes - there have been similar lists. No other politician so regularly flat out lies as this president. Sorry, Rogue - I know that Trump's base is quick to dismiss almost anything he says/does - but it doesn't means he doesn't say or do it. We have the video - the transcripts - and we have the accompanying facts. Trump doesn't ALWAYS lie - he just does so at an unprecedented rate - and then repeats the same lies over and over and over again - even when they are shown to be untrue.

Heck - even the U.N laughed at him.... so much for the claim that the world would no longer be laughing at America once he was president. Most of the world is doing exactly that. He's internationally seen as a buffoon.

[Cow Poke]

I've read it - but since any response is apparently already deemed "handwaving," there doesn't seem to be much point.

So, you're hand waving it!


(kidding - yeah, you have a point)

[Cow Poke]

Heck - even the U.N laughed at him....

You were doing good til you got to this comment. The UN is a joke. But that's another thread.

[carpedm9587]

So, you're hand waving it!


(kidding - yeah, you have a point)

And you have a soul...

[Terraceth]

Liberal flip-flop:

Vox.com, September 11, 2016: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

So airport security is a bad thing. Got it.

Vox.com, January 9, 2018: To build the wall, Trump is sacrificing airport security during the government shutdown

So airport security is a good thing. Got i- wait, whaaaaa?

Not to mention the fact that Vox apparently wants good security at our airports but not at our border.

I think it's unreasonable to call it a "flip-flop" when the articles aren't even by the same writer.

Heck, I remember when Trump was advocating removing birth citizenship to children of illegal aliens (whatever did happen to that attempt?) and there was of course the re-invigorated debate about whether that's constitutional or not, National Review ran articles from both people who argued it was and people who argued it wasn't, all posted within days of each other. That's not a "flip-flop", that's just different writers having different views.

[JimL]

Anyone who can listen to a Trump speech and call him "very good" is not in full command of the English language. What Trump is good at is rallying a crowd with buzzwords that get their blood up. But he can't complete a cogent sentence to save his life. Reading one of his "extemporaneous" speeches is like reading a text created by someone who randomly chose the sequence of words out of a bingo-like box.

Here's a marvelous example:

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That's what he sounds like every time he opens his mouth. Trumps supporters apparently equate his ability to nonsensically babble on with intelligence.

[One Bad Pig]

That's what he sounds like every time he opens his mouth. Trumps supporters apparently equate his ability to nonsensically babble on with intelligence.

Any excuse will do for why your candidate lost, eh?

[Mountain Man]

Anyone who can listen to a Trump speech and call him "very good" is not in full command of the English language. What Trump is good at is rallying a crowd with buzzwords that get their blood up. But he can't complete a cogent sentence to save his life. Reading one of his "extemporaneous" speeches is like reading a text created by someone who randomly chose the sequence of words out of a bingo-like box.

Here's a marvelous example:

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Sure, you can sift through everything Trump has said and cherry pick instances where he was perhaps less than eloquent. So what? I never said the man was a flawless orator.

[Sparko]

Here's a great article for you to hand wave away....

Sometimes I think the media reads theologyweb. We said that first!

[Sparko]

That's what he sounds like every time he opens his mouth. Trumps supporters apparently equate his ability to nonsensically babble on with intelligence.

Clearly we don't when it comes to your nonsensical babbling.

[carpedm9587]

Sure, you can sift through everything Trump has said and cherry pick instances where he was perhaps less than eloquent. So what? I never said the man was a flawless orator.

MM - the text from pretty much every speech I have looked at it (unless he was reading from a script) is pretty close to this - some slightly better - some even worse.

So - here's the challenge. I've provided an example of Trump's stream-of-consciousness style of speaking. So why don't you find an example of a speech he gave where he wasn't reading from a script and was "good" and provide the link or the text. The transcript please, so we can all clearly and easily read his words as quickly as we wish. You don't even have to go for "eloquent." God knows you won't find THAT.

[Cow Poke]

That's what he sounds like every time he opens his mouth.

Jim, when you're not the brightest bulb in the socket, it's not such a good idea to be criticizing others.

[Mountain Man]

MM - the text from pretty much every speech I have looked at it (unless he was reading from a script) is pretty close to this - some slightly better - some even worse.

Yes, I'm aware of your confirmation bias.

[Charles]

Yes, I'm aware of your confirmation bias.

Looking forward to see if you can provide the transcript Carpe encouraged you to share with us. Then you could show your statement to be true.

Prediction: you will not do it.

[carpedm9587]

Yes, I'm aware of your confirmation bias.

Pivoting to my person doesn't avoid your problem, MM. Where's the link to this "good" speech that Trump delivered spontaneously? Provide it please, and we'll know that he is capable of such a thing.