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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAs for the Republican Party, I hope it someday re-finds it's heart. What it has become is a travesty of what the Republican Party used to stand for.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, star isn't really all that far off though carp, as you have admitted yourself republicans are a pretty corrupt and undemocratic bunch right now.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostReplace the word 'Republican' with 'Democratic', and the statement is just as true.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOn that we disagree. While the Democrats are a disorganized bunch, and they are pretty bad at messaging, they are not putting into office candidates like Trump. I am aware the right sees Clinton in those terms, but I find there is no comparison between the two. My primary concern about the Democrats, right now, is that they will fail to coalesce as a party and instead trip all over themselves and give Trump another 4 years in office. It seems pretty clear at this point that the Democrats are the only hope for removing that travesty from office. The Republicans are too enamored of him to consider his replacement. "Trolling" has become mainstream.
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From my perspective - the Democratic party has a (generally) good message supported by a majority of Americans, but are very bad on delivering the message and delivering the goods. Republicans, on the other hand, are good at messaging (Trump is borderline brilliant at playing the media) - but they have a bad message that only a minority of Americans support. To add to that problem, they have Trump at the head slathering out promises they cannot keep. If the Democrats are smart, they'll take a page from Reagan's playbook for the 2020 election and ask the people to ask themselves if they are better off after 4 years of Trump. The data shows that the majority of people are NOT better off. The ones truly enjoying increased income and wealth are, once again, at the top of the financial food chain. There are a few isolated pockets of improvement, but most Americans are not doing better under Trump.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOn that we disagree. While the Democrats are a disorganized bunch, and they are pretty bad at messaging, they are not putting into office candidates like Trump....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostFrom my perspective - the Democratic party has a (generally) good message....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat is their message, Carpe, and for extra points, show at least three prominent Democrats attempting to communicate that message.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOh, come on... they used to be the "God and Country" party --- now they're the "anything goes and open borders" party.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat is their message, Carpe, and for extra points, show at least three prominent Democrats attempting to communicate that message.
- Universal healthcare
- Working to narrow the income and wealth gap
- Prioritizing the environment and addressing climate change
- Responsible American security (internal and external)
- Bringing control to gun proliferation and reduction in gun violence (this one they are less unified and consistent on)
You can find their entire list here.
As for who is preaching it, it's pretty much the entire slate of Democratic leaders (e.g., Shumer, Pelosi) as well as many existing government representatives (e.g., Sanders, Harris, Warren) and the growing field of 2020 candidates (e.g., O'Rourke, Biden) and former leaders (e.g., O'bama, Kerry).The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post"Impeach Trump" seems to be the one thing that unites themThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOn that we disagree. While the Democrats are a disorganized bunch, and they are pretty bad at messaging, they are not putting into office candidates like Trump. I am aware the right sees Clinton in those terms, but I find there is no comparison between the two.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAgreed. She was worse.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou seem to have given in completely to the "us vs. them" mentality that has become the norm today.
I find your both-sides-ism tiring and boring. As a matter of basic factual reality, some people can be right about things and some people can be wrong about things. That's just how the world works. And, in fact, someone who is right about one thing is more likely to be right about others, and someone who is wrong about one things is more likely to be wrong about others, because the underlying causes (level of education, competence in logical thinking, knowledge about the world, reliability of news sources followed by them, knowledgeably of people around them etc) are still in play. Thinking that everyone must be equally right just because it gives you warm fuzzies to think that, is silly.
In some respects, you have adopted Trump's political model. You might want to consider just how much you want to be what you claim to loathe."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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