Of course my favorite part is when non-Christians want to mock and laugh at Christianity and then get their noses out of joint when Christians hit back.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSo, to me, supporting government tax and welfare is the logical outcome of love for others and wanting to see the poor helped, just as 2+2=4.
I simply scratch my head whenever people claim to be loving of others and supportive of helping the poor and yet attack the existence of government tax and welfare.
I think probably, for the most part, they are just not very well versed in history, and are ignorant of the kinds of human misery that existed prior to governments being able to provide these sorts of 'social safety nets', because I don't think any actually loving person who was actually informed about the difference between having them and not having them would actually want to not have them.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOf course my favorite part is when non-Christians want to mock and laugh at Christianity and then get their noses out of joint when Christians hit back.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou are assuming here that the government system is the most efficient method for helping others.
I would be much less critical of a government system that actually solved problems, rather than just perpetuating them. The "war on poverty", for example, has been just about as effective as "the war on drugs"."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostNo, I'm assuming it's a necessary methodThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNo, I, and hundreds of years of Christian tradition, have not gotten it wrong. One of the major themes repeated throughout all of scripture, from Genesis to Revelation, is God's perfection and man's imperfection and need for econciliation, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." What you missed in the parable of the prodigal son is that the son repented and begged his father's forgiveness. He didn't earn his way back into his father's house with good works.
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBut let me guess: Western Christians have been reading this wrong for centuries until you came along to set us all straight.
It's little wonder to me that you wish to rewrite God's Word in your own image. You want a God who will judge people as "good enough", and so you twist scripture in a way that you think will allow you to "good enough" your way into heaven. It's almost like you're trying to hedge your bets just in case you're wrong.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd there you go. So stupid! There are many very good people in the world, many who don't believe in your Jesus, and to believe that a god would be so petty as to judge people according to their beliefs, is, well, absurd. It would also shatter your idea of a just and meciful god.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostAnd there you go. So stupid! There are many very good people in the world, many who don't believe in your Jesus, and to believe that a god would be so petty as to judge people according to their beliefs, is, well, absurd. It would also shatter your idea of a just and meciful god.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostYour ridiculous rationalizations don't change the fact that your god supposedly judges people, not according to the content of their character, or they way in which they lived their lives, but according to whether they, by reason, believe he exists or not. Not only that, but then once they get to their dreamed of paradise, god has to change them in order to make them be good people. It's farcical!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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I didn't say anything about "knowledge" I said that one must either believe that which they just don't believe, or into hell they go. One can't repent and ask for, or accept gods mercy if they don't believe in said god. It's just a dumb thing to believe of a god that he would punish those with imperfect knowledge because of their disbelief.
Look, I promise you this: when you come face to face with God at the end of all things, you will be judged perfectly by a judge who is incapable of error, and you will be held accountable for every wrong you've ever done -- "Whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin" -- and your own conscience will bear witness against you so that you will be left utterly without excuse. If you think that you will be able to stand before a perfect God, answer for and justify your every sin, and "good enough" your way into heaven, then ignore what I'm saying and continue to live your life as you see fit.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostDumb!Last edited by Mountain Man; 12-31-2018, 12:13 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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