What is Socialism?

[Starlight]

Yeah, everyone already has you pegged as someone who wants to twist what Scripture says into justifying what you want to do.

It's not what I want to do or not do. I just think, from my studies, that Evangelicals hold inaccurate biblical interpretations on almost all major issues. I think in general they are so firmly committed to the views they have been taught by others that there is an extremely strong resistance on their part to acknowledging that virtually none of those ideas are actually taught by the bible if it is carefully studied rather than cherry-picked as they prefer to do.

[Cow Poke]

No point, so post emojis.

It's not what I want to do or not do. I just think, from my studies, that Evangelicals hold inaccurate biblical interpretations on almost all major issues.

Another time. Right now, you're supposed to be revealing "biblical teachings" that support government based socialism.

I think in general they are so firmly committed to the views they have been taught by others that there is an extremely strong resistance on their part to acknowledging that virtually none of those ideas are actually taught by the bible if it is carefully studied rather than cherry-picked as they prefer to do.

Again, shocking an atheist would think that, but how bout getting back on topic?

[One Bad Pig]

The context was pretty much what was happening in this thread: Guy comes to Jesus and says "I think I'm doing pretty great by following all the rules, what more do you think I need?" just as CP had said to me. The reply of both Jesus and me was to give all the money away. And CP and the guy in the bible both rejected that answer because they loved their money and didn't want to give it away. Pretty analogous if you ask me.

That's not an awful summation of the passage, but it falls woefully short of analogous to the situation here.

1) CP, I'm sure, would admit to a stumble or three regarding said rules; he's no 'rich young ruler'.
2) You don't even have the benefit of visual or auditory cues to what CP is saying, let alone knowing his heart; you're no Jesus, either.
3) The crucial bit of the context to which I refer is the RYR asked "What must I do to be saved?" not "What must one do to be saved?"

[JimL]

Why is it so hard for you to post an actual scripture reference? Will it make you spontaneously combust or something?

Please try again without the diversionary nonsense.



Especially the part where it instructs us to do likewise.

Well, I assumed, being that you're a pastor and all, that you would recognise the biblical quote even though paraphrased. I guess I was wrong.

So here, here is the exact quote in Acts 4:34-35:

Niether was there any of them that lacked: for as many as were possessers of lands or houses sold them and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the Apostles feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

[JimL]

That's not an awful summation of the passage, but it falls woefully short of analogous to the situation here.

1) CP, I'm sure, would admit to a stumble or three regarding said rules; he's no 'rich young ruler'.
2) You don't even have the benefit of visual or auditory cues to what CP is saying, let alone knowing his heart; you're no Jesus, either.
3) The crucial bit of the context to which I refer is the RYR asked "What must I do to be saved?" not "What must one do to be saved?"

Like I said, christians rationalize away whatever they don't like about christianity.

[Cow Poke]

Well, I assumed, being that you're a pastor and all, that you would recognise the biblical quote even though paraphrased. I guess I was wrong.

Being wrong is a normal condition with you. I knew exactly what passage you were misrepresenting, but it doesn't say what you think it says.

So here, here is the exact quote in Acts 4:34-35:

Niether was there any of them that lacked: for as many as were possessers of lands or houses sold them and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the Apostles feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Which has absolutely ZERO to do with government based socialism. They were WILLINGLY meeting the needs of their church family without any government interaction at all.

Strike 3, you''re OUTTA HERE!!!!

[Cow Poke]

Like I said, christians rationalize away whatever they don't like about christianity.

And anti-Christian bigots will attempt to twist the scripture (that they don't even believe in) to try to support any idiot idea they want to believe.

[One Bad Pig]

Like I said, christians rationalize away whatever they don't like about christianity.

Another nice non sequitur from you! You're on a roll lately!

[JimL]

Being wrong is a normal condition with you. I knew exactly what passage you were misrepresenting, but it doesn't say what you think it says.

Then why didn't you just acknowledge that and answer to it instead of acting ignorant?

Which has absolutely ZERO to do with government based socialism.

Of course it does, it was their self imposed philosophy of governance.

They were WILLINGLY meeting the needs of their church family without any government interaction at all.

The point is that socialism was an ideology that they personally believed in and practiced regardless of any state government system.

Strike 3, you''re OUTTA HERE!!!!

Error, you dropped the ball. Now I suggest you learn what christianity is all about lest Jesus spit you from out his mouth and say to you: I never knew you.

[Cow Poke]

Of course it does, it was their self imposed philosophy of governance.

So you finally admit it's not a "biblical teaching" regarding civil government, but a voluntary action of the New Testament Church. Maybe there's hope for you after all!

[JimL]

So you finally admit it's not a "biblical teaching" regarding civil government, but a voluntary action of the New Testament Church. Maybe there's hope for you after all!

Again, like I said, christians rationalize away what they don't like about christianity.

[Cow Poke]

Error, you dropped the ball. Now I suggest you learn what christianity is all about lest Jesus spit you from out his mouth and say to you: I never knew you.

This is like your "not the brightest bulb in the socket" nonsense, Jim. You're mixing Revelation 3:16 with Matthew 7:23.

[Cow Poke]

Again, like I said, christians rationalize away what they don't like about christianity.

Jim, just saying the same stupid thing over and over doesn't make it true. You and Starlight have yet to establish any kind of biblical foundation for government based socialism.

In order for us to "rationalize away" something, there has to be something to "rationalize away".

[RumTumTugger]

And anti-Christian bigots will attempt to twist the scripture (that they don't even believe in) to try to support any idiot idea they want to believe.

As well as twist what the Christians are saying to support their bigotry.

[JimL]

Jim, just saying the same stupid thing over and over doesn't make it true.

Well yeah, I guess, if you think the bible is a stupid thing.

You and Starlight have yet to establish any kind of biblical foundation for government based socialism.

CP, socialism was their philosophy of governance, that's what they did.

In order for us to "rationalize away" something, there has to be something to "rationalize away".

And there is, it's how they lived, the bible is setting an example for you. Not that I agree with that kind of socialism myself, which is a bit more like communism, I would say. But I do agree with government that values the dignity of human life over the republican philosophy that says I got mine, to hell with the rest of you. We liberals call it democratic socialism nowadays.