Florida Recount in Senate Race?

[JimL]

If there's a massive swing in vote totals, especially from "found" ballots, then it's a good bet something sketchy is going on.

You're an idiot as well, MM. If there is a massive swing, it will be because this is Broward County which votes massively democrat. Duh!

[Starlight]

And now Democrats are demanding that non-citizen votes be counted...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...es-in-florida/

The usual false representation from Breitbart. In truth, for the sane people in this thread, they were arguing over whether one specific vote had been cast by a non-citizen or not, not whether non-citizens can vote or whether such votes should count.

Interestingly though, if you actually read the court transcript, there was alleged to be one whole vote disqualified for being cast by a non-citizen. The judge comments that that's the "First one of these [vote disqualified for not being a citizen] we've seen." What happened MM to you pushing Trump's gigantic lie that millions and millions of non-citizens voted illegally?

On the topic of non-citizens voting, my own country allows it (they simply have to be permanent residents here, they don't have to be citizens) and I'm a bit on the fence as to whether that's a good policy or not myself.

[Starlight]

Broward County had some hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots come in on Monday, and as the state knew it would, it took time to count them all, which is why they gave all counties until 12:00 today to have them counted and turned in. That's exactly what they did.

Republicans in general unfortunately:

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Possibly you need to explain to Republican posters here how mail-in ballots and absentee ballots work, with small words. Military members have to mail in their ballots if they are out of their state, so you can probably leverage the cancerously oversized love-of-military parts of their brains to help them understand.

[Terraceth]

What did your last research-slave die of?

What eventually got revealed was that the Republicans hadn't known in advance of Ford's accusations, they'd known about one of the other women who had contacted both Republicans and Democrats on the committee earlier in the year with her own accusations. So Republicans had many months' warning they might need to play defense on Kavanaugh's interactions with women. Part of that strategy turned out to be having the female sports team he coached sitting behind him, part turned out to be a group of women organized and ready to say how great he was toward women at the drop of a hat and write/sign any letter to that effect. My repetition of other media commentators' observation that the speed with which the letter was produced indicated someone had known about possible accusations beforehand and established a way to produce a speedy response on the subject, turned out to be 100% correct. Republican operatives had indeed known of possible accusations of impropriety toward women appearing and had established a mechanism for a rapid response on that subject as well as preemptive defense.

So... in other words, my original reply is just as applicable here:

And you say this based on... uh, what, exactly? While I've seen others, like you, make the claim that the woman were found ahead of time and the letter pre-written, as far as I can tell this is entirely speculative. The only rationale is apparently the presumption that it's somehow implausible they could have seen and responded to the news this quickly, which has two problems with it. First, in our day of instant communication, it's silly to believe that people couldn't get put this together in short order. Second, some of these women have stated that they put the letter together by themselves after hearing the accusations and then forwarded it, which goes completely against the hypothesis that they were found by Chuck Grassley beforehand.

If you have actual proof of your accusation rather than the mere speculation you've shown then and now, by all means show it.

[Starlight]

Terraceth, I don't really understand your obsession with defending rapist Kavanaugh, but I'm beyond caring at this point. Go away and stop embarrassing yourself with your random demands for me to do things for you.

[Terraceth]

Terraceth, I don't really understand your obsession with defending rapist Kavanaugh, but I'm beyond caring at this point. Go away and stop embarrassing yourself with your random demands for me to do things for you.

It's got nothing to do with "defending" Kavanaugh; my point was how you made a conspiratorial assertion (that Chuck Grassley went out and contacted 65 women well ahead of time to sign a pre-written letter) without any actual proof of said conspiratorial assertion. It'd be one thing if you stated it as a speculation, but you stated it as definite fact, which is why I (and others) tried to figure out what your actual backing or citation for this claim was, which you never provided. Did any of the women come forward and say that they were contacted about it beforehand and that the letter was prewritten? Was there evidence that this letter existed well before it was revealed? Or was this just a speculation based on nothing other than the assumption that in our era of instant communication, people who knew each other in the past somehow couldn't quickly communicate and put out such a letter?

I'll admit, it was a bit uncouth of me to dredge up something from a while ago in a topic only tangentially related to it. But the fact you so baldly asserted something as a fact when it is (as far as I can tell) nothing more than a baseless speculation always bothered me.

[Starlight]

my point was how you made a conspiratorial assertion (that Chuck Grassley went out and contacted 65 women well ahead of time to sign a pre-written letter) without any actual proof of said conspiratorial assertion.

Given conspiratorial assertions are made pretty much constantly by various posters in this forum, I'm not sure why me making one would even register.

Granted, I usually do try to be 100% accurate and evidence focused. But occasionally I am lazy and don't have links to hand or can't really be bothered typing out the logic of the arguments in full so just post the conclusions or repeat what I found convincing from various media commentators.

It'd be one thing if you stated it as a speculation, but you stated it as definite fact

If you're going to be a grammar nazi about my phrasing, ain't nobody got time for that. It was an deduction made by numerous media commentators based on the speed with which Republicans produced the letter in response, and echoed by myself who agreed with drawing said conclusion from the evidence. It turned out to be correct as we subsequently learned that Grassley had indeed been contacted months earlier by a woman who was making accusations against Kavanaugh. So his team had months of warning that Kavanaugh might be accused of impropriety with a woman during the confirmation hearing. With that knowledge they were able to create a contact list of women who had known Kavanaugh.

Or was this just a speculation based on nothing other than the assumption that in our era of instant communication, people who knew each other in the past somehow couldn't quickly communicate and put out such a letter?

This is why I mock you for being a person who goes out of your way to find any possible excuse for Republicans no matter how implausible. Yes, it is technically possible that so many women who knew Kavanaugh were coincidentally already in internet contact and all at their keyboards when the news broke and were ready and waiting to almost instantly all sign off on a letter about how great Kavanaugh was to them all. But on the balance of probability, the speed of the response leans towards a certain level of pre-organisation, as typically a grassroots response takes much more time than this... so as per usual you embarrassed yourself by jumping onto theoretical possibilities that weren't at all likely. And I find it sad and hilarious how often you do that in favor of Republicans. Anything, everything, that can possibly be interpreted or conceived of in favor of Republicans, you do. And, in the original context of this discussion, that was why I didn't reply to your demands for evidence from me, because I considered you to be embarrassing yourself with your extreme conspiracy view that this was an organic grassroots response that just happened to have been put together so rapidly, over and against what all the experienced media commentators were saying which was that this had been released a lot lot faster than was normal for such organic responses and was thus pretty clearly pre-organised to a significant extent.

But the fact you so baldly asserted something as a fact when it is (as far as I can tell) nothing more than a baseless speculation always bothered me.

God doesn't exist.

[rogue06]

Republicans in general unfortunately:

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Possibly you need to explain to Republican posters here how mail-in ballots and absentee ballots work, with small words. Military members have to mail in their ballots if they are out of their state, so you can probably leverage the cancerously oversized love-of-military parts of their brains to help them understand.

In 2000 while Democrats were screaming "voter suppression"^[1] they were working overtime to have overseas military absentee ballots (the vast majority voting for Bush) all across Florida thrown out (IIRC they succeeded in getting 1000 disallowed, primarily for lacking a postmark^[2], in violation of both federal and state law).

They arbitrarily changed vote-counting criteria after the election in order to suppress the vote. The problem was so bad that according to an Associated Press report at the time "Orange County, for example, rejected 117 of its 147 overseas ballots. In Hillsborough County, 74 of the 135 ballots were rejected after Democrats raised concerns about postmark or signature problems."

What they were doing was so blatant it even caused some Democrats to recoil and even Gore's VP pick, Senator Joseph Lieberman, felt it necessary to step forward and demand that election officials should give the ''benefit of the doubt'' to military voters.

And speaking of Florida, the MSM (now a branch of the Democratic Party in all but name only), called Gore the winner there causing many voters in the panhandle, where the polls were still open and a Republican stronghold, to turn around and go home without voting.

Moreover, nine years later, a Senate Rules Committee study revealed that roughly a quarter of overseas military voters (who vote overwhelmingly Republican) who requested absentee ballots did not have their votes counted in the 2008 election because they never received their ballots causing Congress to approve the Military and Overseas Voting Empowerment (MOVE) Act requiring that states send absentee ballots to overseas military personnel at least 45 days before the election so that time in transit will no longer be an issue.








1. This would ring incredibly hollow in 2016 as the Democrat's primaries were rigged to ensure a Clinton victory regardless of how anyone voted.

2. Those in combat zones, on ships at sea... don't have the U.S. mail picking up their ballots so there wouldn't be a postmark.

[rogue06]

Terraceth, I don't really understand your obsession with defending rapist Kavanaugh

Who exactly are you pretending that Kavanaugh raped?

[Tassman]

If there's a massive swing in vote totals, especially from "found" ballots, then it's a good bet something sketchy is going on.

Of course there is <sarcasm>. How dare those liberals demand that every vote be counted.

[Mountain Man]

The usual false representation from Breitbart. In truth, for the sane people in this thread, they were arguing over whether one specific vote had been cast by a non-citizen or not, not whether non-citizens can vote or whether such votes should count.

Interestingly though, if you actually read the court transcript, there was alleged to be one whole vote disqualified for being cast by a non-citizen. The judge comments that that's the "First one of these [vote disqualified for not being a citizen] we've seen." What happened MM to you pushing Trump's gigantic lie that millions and millions of non-citizens voted illegally?

On the topic of non-citizens voting, my own country allows it (they simply have to be permanent residents here, they don't have to be citizens) and I'm a bit on the fence as to whether that's a good policy or not myself.

I see you don't understand the concept of legal precedent.

[Mountain Man]

Of course there is <sarcasm>. How dare those liberals demand that every vote be counted.

I have no problem with every LEGITIMATE being counted.

[Mountain Man]

You're an idiot as well, MM. If there is a massive swing, it will be because this is Broward County which votes massively democrat. Duh!

And why weren't those votes counted on election day? If they suddenly "find" tens of thousands of uncounted ballots that swing the results then fraud is pretty much a given at that point. And there's definitely shenanigans going on...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ots-good-ones/

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2018...-ballot-count/

As the old saying goes, it's not who votes that's important, it's who counts the ballots.

[Cow Poke]

Of course there is <sarcasm>. How dare those liberals demand that every vote be counted.

You kinda sorta left out the word "legitimate" - you're usually much more liberal with adjectives.

[JimL]

And why weren't those votes counted on election day? If they suddenly "find" tens of thousands of uncounted ballots that swing the results then fraud is pretty much a given at that point. And there's definitely shenanigans going on...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ots-good-ones/

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2018...-ballot-count/
As the old saying goes, it's not who votes that's important, it's who counts the ballots.

Hey dumbell, the rules are there for a reason and the state knew that mail in ballots, many of which come in at the last minute, couldn't all be counted on election day. That's why the rule is that all ballots be counted and turned in by the 10th at 12:00. That's exactly what was done regardless of the election day vote tally. The County didn't all of a sudden find hundreds of thousands of ballots, regardless of what your liar and chief tells you, they simply went about the task of counting them in time for the Nov. 10th deadline, and being that those ballots are coming from Broward county, they are going to favor the democrat candidate and that is what the unethical conservatives, like yourself, are afraid of.