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Should Trump's economy make us ignore his lying, attacks on individuals and the press
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
The simple answer is no, it should not. In fact, his mimicking of Hitlers attacks on the press, his close associations with nationalism, his approaches to immigration, his constant lying, and a clear dose of 20/20 hindsight should make us very, very cautious about excusing these things because 'some of what he does (e.g. improving unemployment) is good'.
Jim
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd why do you know about that, assuming it's an accurate characterization of what has happened (I find most of those accusations fall flat, but sometimes it happens). But again - how do you find out about it?
Jim"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostyesThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn the case of NBC withholding exculpatory information on the Kavenaugh hearing, it was the Republican investigators who exposed the deception of NBC, who then came clean. Kinda sorta.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostFor one thing, I wouldn't call it Trumps economy, Trump simply gave Obama's economic success a short burst, mostly favoring the wealthy, at the expense of the increasing debt ($1.9 trillion) that hypocritical republicans all of a sudden no longer seem to be concerned about. Besides that, a small amount of more spending money in the average americans pocket means nothing when millions of them because of the republican policies have lost their health insurance. But I agree, even if I had appreciation for the stupid reckless policies of Trump, they would be no reason to ignore his Putinesque tendencies.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostDoesn't CP's "no" mean "we should not ignore Trump's lying due to a good economy?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt does. I posted a follow up. I should have had an exclamation point, or just been less terse. Yes!, as in, finally someone agrees without qualification with something said that should be obvious!
JimThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostDoesn't CP's "no" mean "we should not ignore Trump's lying due to a good economy?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYeah - I saw that after and should have amended my post. I tend to read threads in chronological order and response as I see things that seem "response-worthy." I should probably read the entire thread before I write anything at all...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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The thing about this question is what it ignores. Lies and dishonesty are not excusable. However this question is itself dishonest. It ignores the fact that the lies nd dishonesty do not come from Trump, but from politicians and media in general. To pick out Trump alone is simply extreme bias. As I have said before, I do not much care for Trump. But to pretend that he is in any significantly way different from Republicans and Democrats is "a clear example of "lying, attacks on individuals."
Deal with issues rather than personalities.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThe thing about this question is what it ignores. Lies and dishonesty are not excusable. However this question is itself dishonest. It ignores the fact that the lies nd dishonesty do not come from Trump, but from politicians and media in general. To pick out Trump alone is simply extreme bias. As I have said before, I do not much care for Trump. But to pretend that he is in any significantly way different from Republicans and Democrats is "a clear example of "lying, attacks on individuals."
Deal with issues rather than personalities.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostHe really isn't. He's about average for a politician in this category.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThe thing about this question is what it ignores. Lies and dishonesty are not excusable. However this question is itself dishonest. It ignores the fact that the lies nd dishonesty do not come from Trump, but from politicians and media in general. To pick out Trump alone is simply extreme bias. As I have said before, I do not much care for Trump. But to pretend that he is in any significantly way different from Republicans and Democrats is "a clear example of "lying, attacks on individuals."
Deal with issues rather than personalities.
If you truly think Trump does not lie, then I have to conclude that you are either extremely divorced from reality, or your are biased for Trump to an unbelievable degree.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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