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[Tassman]

How soon after the events did he make that remark?

https://forward.com/fast-forward/380...arlottesville/

[Roy]

AFAICT they didn't endorse her

Wrong.

Source: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-the-communist-party-of-the-usa-endorse-hillary-clinton/

CPUSA sent us a statement emphasizing that the group had not endorsed Clinton, or any other candidate: "The answer to your question is NO. In 2016 CPUSA did not have any candidates on the ballot, but nevertheless it does not issue endorsements of candidates of other parties."

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As for your Sam Webb quote, the blog post it comes from makes it clear that Sam Webb was not a CPUSA Party spokesperson:

Source: bernie-or-bust

I was the national chairperson of the Communist Party, USA from 2000 until 2014 when I stepped down at the convention, In 2015 I resigned from the Communist Party.

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Sam Webb could not have endorsed Hillary Clinton as a Party spokesperson for CPUSA because he was no longer a member of CPUSA.

[rogue06]

Hillary was endorsed by the head of the Communist Party USA, John Bachtell:

Source: Communist Party Leader Voted for Sanders, Will Back Clinton

THE LEADER OF AMERICA'S most prominent communist party credits Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders with helping usher socialism into the political mainstream, but says it's essential to back Hillary Clinton if she defeats Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary.

John Bachtell, national chairman of the Communist Party USA, says he cast a ballot for Sanders in the Illinois primary in March, but that the self-styled democratic socialist's loyal backers should temper their criticism of Clinton as a warmongering Wall Street puppet.

"The most important thing is keeping our eye on this extreme right-wing danger and really hoping that all political organizations and democratic forces will unite together to try to defeat that," he says.

"Whoever emerges from the primary fight, there will be a very broad coalition to try to get them elected," he says. "We support independence from the Democratic Party and work with forces laying the groundwork for a third party, but it's not realistic in this election."

The nearly century-old Communist Party USA hasn't run a presidential candidate since 1984 and softened its ideology following the collapse of the Soviet Union. It does not advocate the violent overthrow of the government, but rather socialism through the ballot box.


Source

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Bachtell was worried that some Communists and others on the left are tempted to vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein so as to "send a message" to Hillary and the Democrats that they are not far left enough. Bachtell sees this as a "flawed strategy" and declared that working with the Democrat Party was the key to success.

And yes, the CPUSA did say that their endorsing of Hillary isn't technically an endorsement since CPUSA "does not endorse candidates from other parties" but rather that they are merely closely allying themselves with the Clinton campaign, supporting her run for president and urging their membership to vote for her. Tomayto, tomahto, wouldn't you agree?


Btw, it appears that Webb continued to serve on the CPUSA's National Committee until 2016 when he quit and joined the Democratic Party (likely since there is now little difference between the two and since Hillary and other Democrats couldn't say what the difference is between the Democrats and socialists are). Compare that to Duke who quit the Klan in 1980 (38 years ago) but strangely you felt no need to correct those who continue to call him a member of the Klan nearly 4 decades after he left.

[Sparko]

so if a radical endorses Trump, that makes Trump a radical. But if a radical endorses Hillary, then that doesn't count? And you want us to take you seriously?

[Sparko]

Yeah, he called Lebron James, who is actually known to be extremely intelligent, dumb, Maxine Waters-low IQ, Andrew Gillim a thief, Stacy Abrams, a Yale grad and state congressional leader, unqualified to run, Don Lemmon, the dumbest anchor on tv news, and now, according to his ex lawyer, he suggested that the reason his rally crowds are so white is because "blacks are to stupid to vote for him. These are what are called dog whistles, you know, statements that individually he can get away with, but his racist base hears him loud and clear.

I asked for source, not more allegations. Are you saying a white person isn't allowed to call a person who is another color "stupid?" That in itself is a racist statement JimL. Are you a racist?

Okay, so now I'll ask you the same question. Can you give me actual examples for your allegations that Soros instigated liberal violence and paid protesters to riot? And btw, that Soros organized and funded the so called caravan of destitute migrants to invade the country is another dog whistle to anti-semites like the Pittsburg synagogue murderer, and he acted on it.

Sure I will do what you won't.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...227-story.html

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...on/1375834002/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...hopes-to-spur/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_George_Soros

https://www.jpost.com/American-Polit...vanaugh-568752

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...paid-activists

[JimL]

I asked for source, not more allegations. Are you saying a white person isn't allowed to call a person who is another color "stupid?" That in itself is a racist statement JimL. Are you a racist?

No, Trump is allowed to be a racist if he wants. He has a history Sparko, that he is racist is not a secret.

Sure I will do what you won't.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...227-story.html

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...on/1375834002/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...hopes-to-spur/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_George_Soros

https://www.jpost.com/American-Polit...vanaugh-568752

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...paid-activists[/QUOTE]

Just as I figured, a bunch of nonsense. Funding liberal causes and groups is not the same thing as funding and instigating liberal violence, and that you fall for Trumps and other republican creeps who suggest as much just makes you look stupid.

[Sparko]

No, Trump is allowed to be a racist if he wants. He has a history Sparko, that he is racist is not a secret.

and again no sources, just your allegations.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...227-story.html

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...on/1375834002/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...hopes-to-spur/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_George_Soros

https://www.jpost.com/American-Polit...vanaugh-568752

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...paid-activists

Just as I figured, a bunch of nonsense. Funding liberal causes and groups is not the same thing as funding and instigating liberal violence, and that you fall for Trumps and other republican creeps who suggest as much just makes you look stupid.

Obviously you didn't even bother to read the links. Just as expected.

JimL, this is why nobody takes you seriously. You never back up your claims and when other people do back up theirs when you ask, you just ignore them. You are just a liberal parrot. And you have the gall to call us brainwashed. I don't think you have had an original idea or thought since I have known you. It's no wonder you are an atheist (or "agnostic" ha!) - it fits perfectly with your iron skull.

[Roy]

Hillary was endorsed by the head of the Communist Party USA, John Bachtell:
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Bachtell was worried that some Communists and others on the left are tempted to vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein so as to "send a message" to Hillary and the Democrats that they are not far left enough. Bachtell sees this as a "flawed strategy" and declared that working with the Democrat Party was the key to success.

That's Bachtell's personal opinion and provisional (i.e. pre-Clinton's nomination) endorsement. It's not an endorsement by the CPUSA.

And yes, the CPUSA did say that their endorsing of Hillary isn't technically an endorsement since CPUSA "does not endorse candidates from other parties" but rather that they are merely closely allying themselves with the Clinton campaign, supporting her run for president and urging their membership to vote for her. Tomayto, tomahto, wouldn't you agree?

No, I would not. I see no evidence that they were "closely allying themselves with the Clinton campaign".

Btw, it appears that Webb continued to serve on the CPUSA's National Committee until 2016...

If he did - and I can't find anything other than an unreferenced Wikipedia claim - he did so as some-one who was in the process of leaving. Not as some-one who could endorse a presidential candidate. Also, "until 2016" wouldn't be enough anyway; in order to endorse Clinton for the CPUSA he'd have had to remain in the CPUSA until Clinton defeated Sanders, which was well into 2016.

Compare that to Duke who quit the Klan in 1980 (38 years ago) but strangely you felt no need to correct those who continue to call him a member of the Klan nearly 4 decades after he left.

No-one has. Tassman consistently and correctly refers to Duke as "David Duke the former KKK Grand Wizard".

[Sparko]

That's Bachtell's personal opinion and provisional (i.e. pre-Clinton's nomination) endorsement. It's not an endorsement by the CPUSA.

No, I would not. I see no evidence that they were "closely allying themselves with the Clinton campaign".If he did - and I can't find anything other than an unreferenced Wikipedia claim - he did so as some-one who was in the process of leaving. Not as some-one who could endorse a presidential candidate. Also, "until 2016" wouldn't be enough anyway; in order to endorse Clinton for the CPUSA he'd have had to remain in the CPUSA until Clinton defeated Sanders, which was well into 2016.No-one has. Tassman consistently and correctly refers to Duke as "David Duke the former KKK Grand Wizard".

Wait, so if he quit the KKK, how does his supposed endorsement make Trump a racist?

[Roy]

Wait, so if he quit the KKK, how does his supposed endorsement make Trump a racist?

Because Duke didn't stop being a racist, he only stopped being a klansman. He went on to found the National Association for the Advancement of White People.

[Sparko]

Because Duke didn't stop being a racist, he only stopped being a klansman. He went on to found the National Association for the Advancement of White People.

How does that make Trump a racist?

[JonathanL]

Every time I see someone claim that Duke endorsing Trump makes Trump a racist because he didn't disavow that endorsement (which isn't even true in the first place) it wants me make to bash my head on my desk because of the screwed up logic they're espousing.

Trump (nor anyone else for that matter) does not have a single obligation to disavow the endorsement of a single racist/white nationalist, and if he did choose not to do it it wouldn't make him a racist/white nationalist, or complicit in their bigotry in any way at all.

[Zymologist]

Every time I see someone claim that Duke endorsing Trump makes Trump a racist because he didn't disavow that endorsement (which isn't even true in the first place) it wants me make to bash my head on my desk because of the screwed up logic they're espousing.

Trump (nor anyone else for that matter) does not have a single obligation to disavow the endorsement of a single racist/white nationalist, and if he did choose not to do it it wouldn't make him a racist/white nationalist, or complicit in their bigotry in any way at all.

I've been thinking about making a thread questioning the extent to which someone is morally obligated to disavow the support of an undesirable/objectionable individual or org, but I haven't gotten around to it.

[Sparko]

I've been thinking about making a thread questioning the extent to which someone is morally obligated to disavow the support of an undesirable/objectionable individual or org, but I haven't gotten around to it.

Just think of all of the low-lifes, criminals, serial killers, racists, rapists, pedophiles and so on in this country who actually went and voted for Hillary or Trump. Can either one be responsible for that?

[Roy]

How does that make Trump a racist?

Oh, sorry, though you were asking why Duke was still a racist. Duke's endorsement doesn't make Trump a racist, it only makes him some-one who racists like.