Warren calls Trumps bluff, proves native american heritage.

[Charles]

Not what I said. Go read my previous posts in this thread. I'm done talking about it.

Wrong. You said:

Trump couldn't hear the questions and responded the best he could under the circumstances.

So I was right when I said: "So you admit that your "he could not hear the question" thing did not work..."

Too bad. But anyway you are done talking about it because "the others" ignore the facts.

[One Bad Pig]

Probably. I'm done discussing it since our resident liberals seem intent on pressing the issue by blatantly ignoring the facts.

What they're doing is taking Trump strictly literally when it suits their purposes. It doesn't matter what he's said elsewhere, or if there were communications problems, or that Trump isn't fully explaining himself. They've got an utterance they can take out of context as an absolute to bludgeon him with. In this case, it seems clear to me that Trump didn't know a whole lot about David Duke or the white supremacist groups in question, didn't know everything they stood for, and thus was unwilling to do a blanket condemnation of their stances.

[Zymologist]

I wonder if Rachel Dolezal has any African ancestors.

[rogue06]

I wonder if Rachel Dolezal has any African ancestors.

She claimed that her father was black.

[rogue06]

Don't we have a thread somewhere for the Duke controversy?

We'll soon have a new one -- a derail thread.

[oxmixmudd]

What they're doing is taking Trump strictly literally when it suits their purposes. It doesn't matter what he's said elsewhere, or if there were communications problems, or that Trump isn't fully explaining himself. They've got an utterance they can take out of context as an absolute to bludgeon him with. In this case, it seems clear to me that Trump didn't know a whole lot about David Duke or the white supremacist groups in question, didn't know everything they stood for, and thus was unwilling to do a blanket condemnation of their stances.

The 'my earpiece wasn't working' doesn't add up. If you look at the responses, it's clear he understood the questions. Especially as regards the



I mean look at that. Not only does he say he doesn't know ANYTHING about David Duke (a patent lie, and not a reference to knowing him personally), he says he doesn't even know what he's [Tapper] talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. Please, there is no way he can cover that with 'a bad ear piece'. The answer is direct and to the point and says something that is, as we know from the previous posts on this topic in this thread, a lie, in ANY context. He DOES know who David Duke is, he DOES know what white supremacists are. No amount of static or gaps in sound in an earpiece can explain that response.

He's clearly muddying the waters, dodging. It appears he himself forgot about all the times he'd already made statements about David Duke. Nevertheless, this exchange is clearly and simply a string of lies in response to the questions asked. If there was static, it clearly didn't interfere with what he heard before this answer was given. The answer is perfectly consistent with having heard the first question in its entirety. It just isn't consistent with previous statements made by Trump.

Which brings us back to the issue in implication of deferment to White supremacist groups because he needed (and still needs) their votes.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

I think this says quite a lot:



The fact that Trump would rather say "I know nothing about white supremacists" which is obviously a lie than actually condemn white supremacy is rather telling. Basically he will rather claim he is ignorant than doing what any person with moral integrity would do. These are Trump's own words. Don't blame the media for the words Trump himself says. It is very, very significant that he is so reluctant with his criticism in this case. It is good that he is not as reluctant now but I can't help wondering to what degree strategy plays a role in all of this.

I agree. Though I think what it is telling us is that Trump needs the white supremacist vote and is willing to defer to them to the extent needed to secure their vote but not alienate the majority of his base. However the more I think about it I'm not sure it tells us clearly if his comments about blacks or immigrants reflect actual racism on his part or if they are just the outflow of the general callous rudeness that is his defining trait. It and other moves treated as indications of racism seem better explained as a calculated, opportunistic move oriented around avoiding offending that portion of his base support.

OTOH, a case could be made that a willingness to defer to such groups opportunistically is, in fact, a kind of defacto racism.

Jim

[One Bad Pig]

The 'my earpiece wasn't working' doesn't add up. If you look at the responses, it's clear he understood the questions. Especially as regards the



I mean look at that. Not only does he say he doesn't know ANYTHING about David Duke (a patent lie, and not a reference to knowing him personally), he says he doesn't even know what he's [Tapper] talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. Please, there is no way he can cover that with 'a bad ear piece'. The answer is direct and to the point and says something that is, as we know from the previous posts on this topic in this thread, a lie, in ANY context. He DOES know who David Duke is, he DOES know what white supremacists are. No amount of static or gaps in sound in an earpiece can explain that response.

He's clearly muddying the waters, dodging. It appears he himself forgot about all the times he'd already made statements about David Duke. Nevertheless, this exchange is clearly and simply a string of lies in response to the questions asked. If there was static, it clearly didn't interfere with what he heard before this answer was given. The answer is perfectly consistent with having heard the first question in its entirety. It just isn't consistent with previous statements made by Trump.

Which brings us back to the issue in implication of deferment to White supremacist groups because he needed (and still needs) their votes.


Jim

I'm not trying to persuade YOU of anything, Jim. It's clear you've already made up your mind, and have determined to ignore contrary data. You are doing EXACTLY what I said liberals were doing. Thanks for confirming my intuition on that.

[oxmixmudd]

I'm not trying to persuade YOU of anything, Jim. It's clear you've already made up your mind, and have determined to ignore contrary data. You are doing EXACTLY what I said liberals were doing. Thanks for confirming my intuition on that.

That's an odd response. I gave you clear reasons for why the 'bad earpiece' excuse of Trumps doesn't make sense to me. A reasoned response would be to counter and explain why you think it does makes sense to you.

Jim

[Cow Poke]

From the New Hampshire Union Leader...

[Mountain Man]

"Her Republican challenger has done little with it."

As the saying goes, never get your opponent's way when they're intent on discrediting themselves.

[Tassman]

"Her Republican challenger has done little with it."

As the saying goes, never get your opponent's way when they're intent on discrediting themselves.

It's no more an issue than Trumps birtherism claim re Obama. Even with proof of Obama's birthplace Trump pursued the lie, just as he will no doubt keep up the offensive "Pocahontas" mockery against Warren...this is the sort of sleazebag he is. No matter that Warren revealed an analysis of genetic testing confirmed her distant Native American ancestry, just as she had claimed was family lore via her mother.

[Cow Poke]

It's no more an issue than Trumps birtherism claim re Obama. Even with proof of Obama's birthplace Trump pursued the lie, just as he will no doubt keep up the offensive "Pocahontas" mockery against Warren...

The fact is that Warren very smugly released the test, being foolish enough to think it proved her right, but it blew up in her face. She's a fraud.

this is the sort of sleazebag he is.

So Warren decided to descend to his level. Smart. You seem to be dwelling there, as well.

No matter that Warren revealed an analysis of genetic testing confirmed her distant Native American ancestry, just as she had claimed was family lore via her mother.

You're honestly going to pretend that's what the results showed? Wow.

Elizabeth Warren's 'part' Cherokee claim is a joke, and a racist insult to Natives like me

[Cow Poke]

This deserves its very own post....

No matter that Warren revealed an analysis of genetic testing confirmed her distant Native American ancestry, just as she had claimed was family lore via her mother.

I'm still chuckling about this one. Smiling so big it makes my face look like I have "high cheekbones".

Thanks for the giggles, Tass!

[lilpixieofterror]

In more amusing news, Babylon Bee been having fun with this:

https://babylonbee.com/news/hillary-...-lizard-person