Time To Smear Kavanaugh's Good Name...

[rogue06]

I actually am interested in Starlight's and JimL's claim that the White House is somehow obstructing the FBI investigation, so I meant it when I asked for a source on that. I frankly wouldn't put it past Trump to do something like that.

They are probably relying on complaints that the FBI has been given a week -- coincidentally exactly the amount of time some of the Democrats on the Senate committee asked for

[Starlight]

I actually am interested in Starlight's and JimL's claim that the White House is somehow obstructing the FBI investigation, so I meant it when I asked for a source on that. I frankly wouldn't put it past Trump to do something like that.

It appears it's not Trump strangling the FBI investigation per se, it's one of his minions, White House Counsel Don McGahn who has had oversight over the Kavanaugh nomination from the beginning. Trump may not necessarily know what is happening.

A sampling of some of the headlines from various outlets...

Vice: The White House is doing all it can to stop the FBI looking into Kavanaugh
WSJ: White House Directs FBI to Interview First Two Kavanaugh Accusers, But Not the Third
NY Mag: Report: White House Is Controlling Who FBI Interviews in Kavanaugh Investigation
WaPo: Another Trump coverup? Former FBI agents question limits on probe of Kavanaugh
CNN: Key GOP senators make clear to White House that they want 'real' investigation on Kavanaugh
TPM: Outrage Grows As Omissions From Kavanaugh Probe Become Apparent
BI: Kavanaugh's Yale classmates who dispute his statements on drinking and sexual misconduct want to talk to the FBI but are reportedly being ignored

Diane Feinstein has issued a request for a copy of the instructions issued by the White House Counsel to the FBI outlining the scope of the investigation, but she has not been given a copy. Trump has claimed on Twitter and in person that the White House isn't limiting the investigation. But FBI sources keep telling the media that Don McGahn is still tightly controlling the investigation regardless of Trump's public claims:

[Zymologist]

It appears it's not Trump strangling the FBI investigation per se, it's one of his minions, White House Counsel Don McGahn who has had oversight over the Kavanaugh nomination from the beginning. Trump may not necessarily know what is happening.

A sampling of some of the headlines from various outlets...

Vice: The White House is doing all it can to stop the FBI looking into Kavanaugh
WSJ: White House Directs FBI to Interview First Two Kavanaugh Accusers, But Not the Third
NY Mag: Report: White House Is Controlling Who FBI Interviews in Kavanaugh Investigation
WaPo: Another Trump coverup? Former FBI agents question limits on probe of Kavanaugh
CNN: Key GOP senators make clear to White House that they want 'real' investigation on Kavanaugh
TPM: Outrage Grows As Omissions From Kavanaugh Probe Become Apparent
BI: Kavanaugh's Yale classmates who dispute his statements on drinking and sexual misconduct want to talk to the FBI but are reportedly being ignored

Diane Feinstein has issued a request for a copy of the instructions issued by the White House Counsel to the FBI outlining the scope of the investigation, but she has not been given a copy. Trump has claimed on Twitter and in person that the White House isn't limiting the investigation. But FBI sources keep telling the media that Don McGahn is still tightly controlling the investigation regardless of Trump's public claims:

[Mountain Man]

Good. We don't need another out of control witch-hunt like Dirty Bob's Nothing-Burgers.

[oxmixmudd]

What a contemptible and self-righteous person you are.

That's me! Go for it! Anything else? Don't hold anything back - ok?

Jim

[Starlight]

They are probably relying on complaints that the FBI has been given a week -- coincidentally exactly the amount of time some of the Democrats on the Senate committee asked for

The length of time is fine. It's the specific lists of who the FBI is, and isn't, allowed to interview, and what topics they are, and aren't allowed to ask about, that are causing issues. White House Counsel Don McGahn has apparently dictated a list of exactly four people the FBI is allowed to interview for this probe, and has ruled that relevant topics like Kavanaugh's drinking behavior at the time or the meaning of terms in Kavanaugh's yearbook be off limits to the probe. The FBI is allowed to interview those 4 people only, on the specific topic of the alleged sexual assault incident only. And those 4 people do not include one of the 3 main accusers (Julie Swetnick) either.

So, despite multiple classmates of Kavanaugh publicly testifying in the media that Kavanaugh perjured himself with regard to his accounts of his drinking habits, and the meaning of words in his yearbook, and them wanting to tell the FBI about how he became violent when drunk, the FBI is being banned from talking to those people or asking any of those questions.

[oxmixmudd]

What the hell?

My problem has consistently been crap like the super-duper mega-hyperbole in the bolding above, and your broad-brushing--which you don't even acknowledge in this post. You have been frequently and repeatedly broad-brushing lately, and when called out on it, you...laugh it off, as if you can't possibly be in the wrong.

If you have a problem with sarcastic comments and/or being rude and nasty, what do you call this?



Or this?



In case you didn't see my post after the hearing, here is what I had to say:



It was amened by four people. Please, tell me how I have idolized Trump or Kavanaugh.

So yeah, you're being rude and nasty.

Oh - what is a guy to do when he's always wrong?

No - I'm not going to take any of this seriously right now. It's just too off the wall crazy. Now yes, the last few posts I've been off the wall crazy too. But I'm just joining in the fun after all! It is so amazing to me how much you expect of me and how little you expect of yourselves. Nevertheless, I've afforded myself a little well deserved fun at your expense. As I see it, not one of you can handle what you dish out post after post to the folks you disagree with. But I'm done for now.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.



Jim

[Zymologist]

Oh - what is a guy to do when he's always wrong?

No - I'm not going to take any of this seriously right now. It's just too off the wall crazy. Now yes, the last few posts I've been off the wall crazy too. But I'm just joining in the fun after all! It is so amazing to me how much you expect of me and how little you expect of yourselves. Nevertheless, I've afforded myself a little well deserved fun at your expense. As I see it, not one of you can handle what you dish out post after post to the folks you disagree with. But I'm done for now.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.



Jim

[Mountain Man]

Source: White House authorizes FBI to expand Kavanaugh investigation: report

The White House has reportedly permitted the FBI to interview anyone deemed appropriate in its investigation into sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

The New York Times reported on Monday that the White House gave authorization to expand the investigation from an initial limited list of witnesses, provided that the review is completed by the end of the week.

The FBI has already spoken with the four individuals it had been given permission to speak to, the newspaper reported.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...igation-report

© Copyright Original Source

Also, Swetnick is backpedaling. Now she's saying that she never actually saw Kavanaugh do anything illegal, she just thinks she might have seen him near people that she thought were maybe doing something illegal. She also claims that she contacted the police after being drugged and gang raped at a party... which begs the question: Where's the police report? A story like this would have made national news, but it seems not even the local news outlets caught wind of it.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-ka...ews-interview/

[oxmixmudd]

So sorry! And I'll own my part as well - hopefully any future interactions will have a better outcome ... and thanks!


Jim

[carpedm9587]

And I'm willing to but as of yet you've merely demonstrated a propensity to summarily dismiss any and everything that goes against your entrenched, predetermined conclusions that would make anyone wonder why you haven't succeeded in getting airborne what with all the hand waving you do here.

*carpe, it looks like someone has usurped your throne

You're accusing Ox of handwaving?

I'm going to have to pay closer attention to his posts. That usually only happens when someone is saying something you just don't want to hear...

[carpedm9587]

You should know by now that my "you know what" detector is extremely sensitive.

You take great pride in that, I'm sure - except I think the bloody thing is broken.

Any time someone uncritically posts "Trump's list of lies" cobbled together by a left-wing rag that deceptively labels approximations, exaggerations, differences of opinion, honest mistakes, and obvious jokes as lies, I know that person is not worth taking seriously.

Right... and I'm pretty sure we call that the "genetic fallacy."

[Mountain Man]

Right... and I'm pretty sure we call that the "genetic fallacy."

It's actually not, but nice try.

[Alsharad]

I find it interesting that no one has ask Feinstein the obvious question:

"You had the letter since July. You sat on it for 6 weeks and mentioned it to no one. The hearings were about to end. Since you clearly took no action beforehand, and you deny leaking the letter, it seems your intention was to allow the confirmation to continue despite knowing of the allegations. Since you have said that you believe Dr. Ford, why do you want to put someone you believe is guilty of sexual assault on the Supreme Court?"

I don't see another possible conclusion for her actions.

1 She had the letter.
2 She took no action.
3 She didn't leak it.
4 She believes Dr. Ford.
5 She knew that Kavanaugh would pass the committee and be confirmed along party lines.

If all these are true, then:
6 She believed the letter that she had that stated Kavanaugh was guilty of sexual assault (from 1 and 4).
7 She took no action against Kavanaugh when she believed he was guilty of assault (from 2 and 6).
8 She didn't leak it and took no other action when she knew he would be confirmed (from 2, 3, and 5).
9 She didn't leak it and took no other action knowing that a man she believed guilty of sexual assault would be confirmed to the Supreme Court (from 8 and 9).

Therefore,
She must be willing to allow someone guilty of sexual assault on the Supreme Court (implied by 9).

Am I missing something in my logic?

[Mountain Man]

I think it most likely that Feinstein knew the accusation wasn't credible and held off on releasing the letter until it could do the most political damage.