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170 Registered Voters in Ohio�s 12th District Listed as Over 116 Years Old
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYes, I am. But if you go back and read the entire thread, you will find a place where the idea of grandfathering came up and I noted that I thought it was a good idea that I had not previously considered, and my mind changed about how to best approach this problem. You may have missed that post.
Yes, but at no worse levels than we have now (which have not been shown to be very substantial), and grandfathering eliminates the problem of voter disenfranchisement (which HAS been shown to be substantial). If a proper VoterID system is implemented, and a proper registration process, the rolls will eventually "clean themselves" as a result. So opportunity for voter fraud will reduce year by year as duplicates and deaths get culled by a properly working system, and as voters age and die off.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, I think it got to that point where everybody was saying the same things over and over, and I kinda tuned out. I was meaning to ask if that was an evolution, and it appears so. And that's cool.
Unfortunately, I really don't think either party wants to actually solve any problem that can be used as a wedge to smear the other party.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAlso, Breitbart never claimed that the 170 voters in Ohio were evidence of fraud, they merely stated it's a problem that needs to be addressed:
So go ahead, Dimbulb, cite something directly from the Breitbart article and then show how what they reported is actually wrong.Last edited by Roy; 08-15-2018, 11:32 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View PostUnsurprisingly, that extract stops shortly before Breitbart did claim that they were evidence of fraud:
See above. Those voters live in the district, they don't "live" in the district.
Do you want to try for strike three, or do you want to save face and walk away from the plate?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSince you and Dimbulb are batting for the same team then we'll call this strike two. Breitbart is simply pointing out a security hole in the system and suggesting, reasonably, that it could be used to commit fraud; they never said or implied that it's evidence of actual fraud. Sorry, but you twisting their words into saying what you want them to say doesn't count as them saying.
Do you want to try for strike three, or do you want to save face and walk away from the plate?Last edited by carpedm9587; 08-15-2018, 12:40 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Like your liberal comrades, you complain about "spin" and inaccuracies, but never bother pointing out any errors in the article itself.
"The article is factually correct, but I don't like how it's presented," is a pretty weak criticism, if it even qualifies a criticism.
Does this count as strike three?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLike your liberal comrades, you complain about "spin" and inaccuracies, but never bother pointing out any errors in the article itself.
"The article is factually correct, but I don't like how it's presented," is a pretty weak criticism, if it even qualifies a criticism.
Does this count as strike three?
My hope is, deep down, you are a rational enough person to know something is wrong with Breitbart and how it reports news, and that someday that cognitive dissonance will cause you to re-examine your use of it. But it is entirely possible I am wrong about that. I know some friends on the left who are rabidly devoted to "The Daily Beast" and "Jezebel" and any attempt to get them to see how badly skewed their news source is likewise falls on deaf ears. They say pretty much the same things you do, because the far left media outlets use the same tactics of selective facts, badly skewed language, and obscuring the line between opinion/analysis and news.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostGood point. No, that was for month/day only. For a 70 year window, you get to a better than 50% chance at 188 people. So all you need is a group of 188 people with the same name nationwide, and you have a 50/50 chance of false positives for each name! If you go to the last four digits of the social security number, the 50/50 point is 223 people (there are 10,000 possible combination of this number). On a whim, I did a search on my name on a couple of people search sites, and came up with between 100 and 250 names (in the U.S.), depending on which site I used. My name is not a very common one because my mother left the "a" out of "Michel." When you look at more common names, the numbers go through the roof. I also took a look at my phone book, and there are 3 people with my name listed - for an area with about 100K people. If that ratio were to hold, it suggests there are some 10,000 people in the U.S. with my name. Even if each area of that size had 1/10th the density, it's still 1,000 people.
Unless the comparisons are made with a completely unique identifier (e.g., the entire social security number), and I have never found a study that uses that basis, the studies are rife with error.
I actually make money on this when I teach a math class. Anytime the class has more than 25 people in it, I bet the class $5 for each person who wants in on the bet. At 26 people, the odds are almost 60/40. The odds go to 70/30 at 30 people, and 80/20 at 34 people. At 50 people, it's 97/3. So it's a pretty decent bet. People look around the room and think, "26 people, 365 days, no way!" It's a great object lesson in probabilities.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostPretty much as expected. You can count it any way you wish, MM.
My hope is, deep down, you are a rational enough person to know something is wrong with Breitbart and how it reports news, and that someday that cognitive dissonance will cause you to re-examine your use of it. But it is entirely possible I am wrong about that. I know some friends on the left who are rabidly devoted to "The Daily Beast" and "Jezebel" and any attempt to get them to see how badly skewed their news source is likewise falls on deaf ears. They say pretty much the same things you do, because the far left media outlets use the same tactics of selective facts, badly skewed language, and obscuring the line between opinion/analysis and news.
And for your information, I don't blindly trust everything I read on Breitbart, nor are they my sole source of information. I just like referencing them here because it triggers you liberals.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostMy hope is, deep down, you are a rational enough person to know something is wrong with Breitbart and how it reports news,"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Posthttps://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...116-years-old/
I wonder what the chances are that each of them voted Democrat?
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI used to think MM must be getting financial gain out of spreading Breitbart links because I thought no one could possibly be actually that stupid as to actually believe it all. Then I got to know MM more.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostUnsurprisingly, that extract stops shortly before Breitbart did claim that they were evidence of fraud:Do you want to try for strike three, or do you want to save face and walk away from the plate?Last edited by Roy; 08-16-2018, 06:26 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt would certainly help your case if you explained exactly how the article in question is unfairly biased, or what information they left out that would change the thrust of the story.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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