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170 Registered Voters in Ohio�s 12th District Listed as Over 116 Years Old
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDo you recall the number of people needed for two to have the same first and last name and same birthday (that's not just day and month but also year) and the same (IIRC) last four numbers of their Social Security number?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe same, including the year?
Unless the comparisons are made with a completely unique identifier (e.g., the entire social security number), and I have never found a study that uses that basis, the studies are rife with error.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhen I formed our college ministry team years ago, I asked three other couples, besides my wife and myself, to be the steering committee. When I suggested a particular evening for a meeting, one of the guys said, "I can't - that's my birthday and the kids are having a party for me".
I said, "well, it's my birthday too, but...." and the third man jumped in and said - "wait, you guys are putting me on, right?"
He said it was HIS birthday, and we had to pull out drivers licenses to prove that, in fact, all three of us had the same birthday - not to the year, but the same month and day. The fourth couple was grinning real big, and I said, "NO!!!!!" He grinned and said, "you're not going to believe this", and he nodded to his wife who was smiling really big, drivers license in hand -- HER birthday was the same as ours.
Anyway - I think your little story is true of "birthday", not birth date, including year, which is the delimiter.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDo you recall the number of people needed for two to have the same first and last name and same birthday (that's not just day and month but also year) and the same (IIRC) last four numbers of their Social Security number?
This is the error most of the studies make, because an enormous number of people don't understand the probabilities. To weed out these false positives, you need to use the entire soc (which is unique). Unfortunately, that number is typically not part of the shared information, for security reasons.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBecause it declares what you want to hear? Is that what makes it correct? Because it certainly wasn't because of corroborating evidence and facts provided since there were none. And the source you picked has a reputation that makes Breitbart look like the font of all that is true and honest.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDo you recall the number of people needed for two to have the same first and last name and same birthday (that's not just day and month but also year) and the same (IIRC) last four numbers of their Social Security number?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI wonder what the chances are that you're an idiot and that Breitbarts story is full of crap?
Ohio's Secretary Of State Says... Some older Ohioans were given placeholder birthdates on their voter registrations:
Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted has issued a detailed statement in the wake of a deeply misleading story published by Breitbart that suggested voter fraud had occurred in the state due to the fact that some registered voters in Ohio were listed as being "over 116 years old."...
The misinformation started with a Breitbart report, written by Eric Eggers of the Government Accountability Institute, a conservative research organization. It cited the fact that 170 registered voters had birthdates that would make them more than 116 years old as evidence that "the Left" is trying to "create conditions favorable for voter fraud in Ohio."...
But according to Ohio officials, there's nothing fraudulent about the 170 registered voters with very old birth years. The reason is that, prior to the passage of a new law in 1974, Ohioans did not have to provide a date of birth when registering to vote.
As a result, local officials often used placeholder dates such as Jan. 1, 1900, or Jan. 1, 1800, when registering voters. Some older voters in Ohio, therefore, are still on the voter rolls with those placeholder birthdates.
"These individuals met the requirements at the time to become registered voters and remain legally qualified electors today," the Ohio secretary of state's office said Monday.
Ohio already has what's considered to be the most aggressive approach to purging voter rolls...
As usual BrainFart's idiocy is a combination of their own incompetence at researching stories combined with projection and fantasies that claim the left engages in the kinds of awful behavior that those on the right do.
"Oh no, some people have placeholder birthdays of Jan 1 1900 on the electoral roll! It must be a Democratic conspiracy!""I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI DO know that the ones I HAVE tracked down were flawed studies. They were basing things on names, and birth dates, ignoring the vast incidence of duplicate names with duplicate birth dates. Many people do not grasp the probabilities of these things. As soon as you have a group that is 22 people or larger, the probability of a duplicate birthday in the group exceeds 50%."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostOf course it's fake news. It's coming from BrainFart and being posted here by MoronMan.
Ohio's Secretary Of State Says... Some older Ohioans were given placeholder birthdates on their voter registrations:
Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted has issued a detailed statement in the wake of a deeply misleading story published by Breitbart that suggested voter fraud had occurred in the state due to the fact that some registered voters in Ohio were listed as being "over 116 years old."...
The misinformation started with a Breitbart report, written by Eric Eggers of the Government Accountability Institute, a conservative research organization. It cited the fact that 170 registered voters had birthdates that would make them more than 116 years old as evidence that "the Left" is trying to "create conditions favorable for voter fraud in Ohio."...
But according to Ohio officials, there's nothing fraudulent about the 170 registered voters with very old birth years. The reason is that, prior to the passage of a new law in 1974, Ohioans did not have to provide a date of birth when registering to vote.
As a result, local officials often used placeholder dates such as Jan. 1, 1900, or Jan. 1, 1800, when registering voters. Some older voters in Ohio, therefore, are still on the voter rolls with those placeholder birthdates.
"These individuals met the requirements at the time to become registered voters and remain legally qualified electors today," the Ohio secretary of state's office said Monday.
Ohio already has what's considered to be the most aggressive approach to purging voter rolls...
As usual BrainFart's idiocy is a combination of their own incompetence at researching stories combined with projection and fantasies that claim the left engages in the kinds of awful behavior that those on the right do.
"Oh no, some people have placeholder birthdays of Jan 1 1900 on the electoral roll! It must be a Democratic conspiracy!"
So go ahead, Dimbulb, cite something directly from the Breitbart article and then show how what they reported is actually wrong.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe Republican multi-state voter purges generally seem carefully designed by them to try and take advantage of the fact that minority groups have a smaller range of names than white people. So your chances of having two people both named Santiago Garcia in two states with the same birthday are incredibly high and you can strike both off your voter rolls as "duplicates" by pretending they are the same person and that you are just cleaning up your voter roll. Works a treat and is increasingly needed, along with gerrymandering and voter ID scams to ensure Republicans win elections. They've become the party of electoral fraud.
As I have said multiple times, I have no problem with a structured, consistent, national voterID policy. I believe it needs to be implemented in such a way that the number of disenfranchised voters is not significantly larger than the demonstrable cases of ACTUAL voter fraud. A simple way to do this is to do two things:
1) Implement a VoterID requirement tomorrow, but grandfather everyone already registered to vote.
2) Nationally coordinate all voter registrations with social security, IRS, military, post office, and other records. That should automatically trap a significant percentage of the deaths (soc sec stops checks) and movements (IRS gets tax returns).
This is 2018 - well into the age of the computer. This is not a difficult problem. It just needs resources.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAs I have said multiple times, I have no problem with a structured, consistent, national voterID policy. I believe it needs to be implemented in such a way that the number of disenfranchised voters is not significantly larger than the demonstrable cases of ACTUAL voter fraud. A simple way to do this is to do two things:
Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI hold my vote sacred as well, CP. I'm just not willing to disenfranchise thousands of valid voters to protect myself against a handful of unscrupulous ones. There is a simple solution: make sure everyone who is eligible to vote has a valid ID to do so, THEN impose the voterID laws...
1) Implement a VoterID requirement tomorrow, but grandfather everyone already registered to vote.
2) "Grandfathering" people who are already registered may be giving a free pass to people who already are registered incorrectly, or even fraudulently
2) Nationally coordinate all voter registrations with social security, IRS, military, post office, and other records. That should automatically trap a significant percentage of the deaths (soc sec stops checks) and movements (IRS gets tax returns).
This is 2018 - well into the age of the computer. This is not a difficult problem. It just needs resources.
*OK, maybe not so muchThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou're about to diverge from your previous statement that...
A) That's different from what you've said in the past
Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post2) "Grandfathering" people who are already registered may be giving a free pass to people who already are registered incorrectly, or even fraudulently
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI disagree*!!!! (Though, I have yet to come up with an actual reason --- I'll get back to you on that)
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt strikes me that some of the same people who are FOR VoterID would be OPPOSED to a "National ID Systems". That would be, AFAICT, the only way to make this work.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post*OK, maybe not so muchThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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